I guess we should also look at the tower install too. What is the rough cost to install 40 feet, Rohn 25?
Tushar > On Jun 14, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Paul McCall <[email protected]> wrote: > > Its mostly financial considerations… we do whatever we can (payments, etc.) > to push them that direction. It just makes the most sense. > > Paul > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof > Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 1:00 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Do you want to see this stuff here? > > I don’t understand why customers don’t blink an eye signing 2 year contracts > on cellphones and satellite service, but resist investing in a Rohn tower > which is an asset with about a 30 year life and also gives them a place to > mount things like an OTA TV antenna, security cameras, etc. Not sure if they > think it’s ugly, or just don’t make financial decisions for the long term. > > > From: Paul McCall > Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 11:34 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Do you want to see this stuff here? > > I don’t know comparatively Tushar. We have found that 50mph winds for an > afternoon is all it takes to bend them. > > Being on the ocean, we also see them corrode rather quickly. 2 different > brands of poles and within 2 years they are almost unusual, parts break > trying to loosen them to lower them etc. They just don’t last and then whose > responsibility is it to replace them. The customer doesn’t want to pay twice > that’s for sure. The other problem is fine tuning… east/west is OK, but > up/down angle of a dish is a PIA. 320 CPEs are not as bad on a pole for > tuning, but the other issues really hurt us. We would rather try talking the > customer into a Rohn 25 40 feet or a bit more depending on highest building > attachment point so that we are not guyed. Even if we do that at parts / > labor cost, its much better long term, and easy to service the radio. MOST > of the time, we are able to sell that at a $ 500 REAL profit, and a win-win > for all > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tushar Patel > Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 9:43 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Do you want to see this stuff here? > > I agree it is hard to service. Most of the time we have two people to > install but one person to service, some time two. But how is it be different > in Florida than Texas? > > We get enough windstorms, we deal with pole bent etc too. > > Tushar > > > On Jun 14, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Paul McCall <[email protected]> wrote: > > Push up poles in Florida is a nightmare waiting to happen. We learned that > the hard way. Even with guy wires. And, a pain to service. Kinda fits your > description of NLOS customers below. > > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tushar Patel > Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 11:52 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Do you want to see this stuff here? > > Your point on sector efficiency is the reason we no longer like NLOS > installs. Yes you may gain few customer with little less effort but in long > run it hurts. We try to install 40 to 50 feet push-up poles and get better > line of sight. > > Tushar > > > On Jun 13, 2015, at 10:44 PM, George Skorup <[email protected]> wrote: > > That's great that it works. I'm sure the Telrad stuff and other gear like it > is excellent. For me, it's too expensive. Every way I run the numbers, I'm > looking at 16-18 months for break-even. And that's not including all of the > extra stuff required for a large scale deployment. > > If I can't get 25-30 users per sector, the site is too small to deploy it. If > I'm running a bunch of NLOS customers (which we would since we're about 55% > 900MHz), lots of low modulation users really sucks for sector capacity. And > those NLOS shots, like Ken says, will they continue to work? When the trees > are soaked, covered in ice, etc., does it go to shit and I have to listen to > customers bitching because they were getting 20+Mbps and now get <5Mbps? > Which again is a hit on sector efficiency. > > On 6/13/2015 8:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > One thing I experienced with 3.65 GHz WiMAX was an install that turned out to > work only because of signal bouncing off the tall tree leaves, and stopped > working in November when the leaves went away. We should have been > suspicious when aligning for best signal actually had the CPE pointed up at > about a 30 degree angle. > > I have seen something similar with 900 MHz. > > > From: TJ Trout > Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 8:15 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Do you want to see this stuff here? > > How does LTE penetrate hills? This is the second or third "through a hill" > story in the last week? > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Patrick Leary <[email protected]> > wrote: > RSRP, it is a measurement. It is a truer number than RSSI, which is only an > estimate (so I'm told). As Ken said, basically add 30 to get an idea of the > RSSI value. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID > On Jun 13, 2015 5:36 PM, Mathew Howard <[email protected]> wrote: > Yeah... something like that. Notice that is -108 CINR, not RSSI, like the > numbers we're all used to. > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > I think Patrick said to add 30 dB to Telrad signal numbers because they were > “per subcarrier” or something? > > From: Colin Stanners > Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:17 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Do you want to see this stuff here? > > Patrick, I haven't been following Telrad but that's too incredible - I can't > see how -108, which is below the noise floor for any reasonable channel > bandwidth (20mhz+?) could get any reasonable speed, much less those. > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Patrick Leary <[email protected]> > wrote: > Should I resist sharing this sort of thing? If it's out of line, let me know > Chuck. > > <mime-attachment.png> > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Steve Discher > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 7:51 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Telrad] Another Telrad success story > > > > Not to flood the list with these but Zirkel is having great results. > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp > Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. > > ************************************************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses. > ************************************************************************************ > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses. > ************************************************************************************ > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses. > ************************************************************************************ > > >
