I think he knows that. He was asking what happens if it does I believe. On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 8:01 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote:
> Water isn't supposed to stand in the legs. The legs are supposed to be > into a sand and gravel mix a few inches below where the concrete starts. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > > Midwest Internet Exchange > http://www.midwest-ix.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Monday, June 15, 2015 7:57:49 AM > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Do you want to see this stuff here? > > That is correct. Water standing in your tower leg will end up rusting the > inside of the legs but that seems to be less an issue than splitting after > a freeze. The galv on a R25G type tower is not a very high quality as they > are price sensitive. When exposed to harsher conditions they will rust. If > you need a better, stronger tower consider the small Trylon solid rod STG > or Sabre light weight tubular towers like the 1200 or 1800 TLWD. > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 6:07 AM, Paul McCall <[email protected]> wrote: > >> We drill a tiny hole so water doesn’t build up in the leg. >> >> >> >> So I am clear though, you are saying the legs split when they fill up >> with water AND then freeze? >> >> >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman >> *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2015 11:32 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Do you want to see this stuff here? >> >> >> >> They burst just above ground or wherever the waterline is. Split is more >> like it. Seen it several times. You have to make sure the legs can drain. >> >> On Jun 14, 2015 10:08 PM, "Paul McCall" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> How/where do they burst apart? >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners >> *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2015 10:49 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Do you want to see this stuff here? >> >> >> >> I've seen a few tube towers - including a very nice one - bursting apart >> due to the customers putting the base right into concrete and not leaving a >> way for the water to drip out the bottom. >> >> On Jun 14, 2015 9:18 PM, "Adam Moffett" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> This might not be a concern in Florida or Texas, but if you do it that >> way in the north, the legs may burst due to filling with water and then >> freezing. >> >> Tushar, >> >> >> >> We buy Rohn 25G, with a landed cost of about $ 130 per section. Figure $ >> 80 in concrete (probably a little high) and we stick 3 ft. of the first >> section in the ground. We do the first piece (dig hole, pour cement) in >> about 2 hours times 2 people (on average) then come back in a day after >> cement hardens and we stack the other pieces (sometimes 20 ft. at a time, >> sometimes 30 feet at a time, but figure another 3 hours on site times 2 >> guys. That includes bracketing to the house. However, that part is a big >> variable though because of home construction. You shouldn’t just attach to >> an eve without beefing the eve up. Rohn also makes various size stand offs >> that can go to the side of the house. >> >> >> >> So, about 10 hours of labor on averages, and probably $ 650 to $ 750 in >> materials for a tower of 37 feet. If your highest attachment point is high >> enough and solid, you can stack another 10 foot section >> >> >> >> There are some variables in there, but that should give you a decent >> estimate. >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *Tushar Patel >> *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2015 6:09 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Do you want to see this stuff here? >> >> >> >> I guess we should also look at the tower install too. What is the rough >> cost to install 40 feet, Rohn 25? >> >> Tushar >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 14, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Paul McCall <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Its mostly financial considerations… we do whatever we can (payments, >> etc.) to push them that direction. It just makes the most sense. >> >> >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >> *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2015 1:00 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Do you want to see this stuff here? >> >> >> >> I don’t understand why customers don’t blink an eye signing 2 year >> contracts on cellphones and satellite service, but resist investing in a >> Rohn tower which is an asset with about a 30 year life and also gives them >> a place to mount things like an OTA TV antenna, security cameras, etc. Not >> sure if they think it’s ugly, or just don’t make financial decisions for >> the long term. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Paul McCall <[email protected]> >> >> *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2015 11:34 AM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Do you want to see this stuff here? >> >> >> >> I don’t know comparatively Tushar. We have found that 50mph winds for an >> afternoon is all it takes to bend them. >> >> >> >> Being on the ocean, we also see them corrode rather quickly. 2 different >> brands of poles and within 2 years they are almost unusual, parts break >> trying to loosen them to lower them etc. They just don’t last and then >> whose responsibility is it to replace them. The customer doesn’t want to >> pay twice that’s for sure. The other problem is fine tuning… east/west is >> OK, but up/down angle of a dish is a PIA. 320 CPEs are not as bad on a >> pole for tuning, but the other issues really hurt us. We would rather try >> talking the customer into a Rohn 25 40 feet or a bit more depending on >> highest building attachment point so that we are not guyed. Even if we do >> that at parts / labor cost, its much better long term, and easy to service >> the radio. MOST of the time, we are able to sell that at a $ 500 REAL >> profit, and a win-win for all >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *Tushar Patel >> *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2015 9:43 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Do you want to see this stuff here? >> >> >> >> I agree it is hard to service. Most of the time we have two people to >> install but one person to service, some time two. But how is it be >> different in Florida than Texas? >> >> >> >> We get enough windstorms, we deal with pole bent etc too. >> >> Tushar >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 14, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Paul McCall <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Push up poles in Florida is a nightmare waiting to happen. We learned >> that the hard way. Even with guy wires. And, a pain to service. Kinda >> fits your description of NLOS customers below. >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *Tushar Patel >> *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 11:52 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Do you want to see this stuff here? >> >> >> >> Your point on sector efficiency is the reason we no longer like NLOS >> installs. *Yes you may gain few customer with little less effort but in >> long run it hurts.* We try to install 40 to 50 feet push-up poles and >> get better line of sight. >> >> Tushar >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 13, 2015, at 10:44 PM, George Skorup <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> That's great that it works. I'm sure the Telrad stuff and other gear >> like it is excellent. For me, it's too expensive. Every way I run the >> numbers, I'm looking at 16-18 months for break-even. And that's not >> including all of the extra stuff required for a large scale deployment. >> >> If I can't get 25-30 users per sector, the site is too small to deploy >> it. If I'm running a bunch of NLOS customers (which we would since we're >> about 55% 900MHz), lots of low modulation users really sucks for sector >> capacity. And those NLOS shots, like Ken says, will they continue to work? >> When the trees are soaked, covered in ice, etc., does it go to shit and I >> have to listen to customers bitching because they were getting 20+Mbps and >> now get <5Mbps? Which again is a hit on sector efficiency. >> >> On 6/13/2015 8:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> One thing I experienced with 3.65 GHz WiMAX was an install that turned >> out to work only because of signal bouncing off the tall tree leaves, and >> stopped working in November when the leaves went away. We should have been >> suspicious when aligning for best signal actually had the CPE pointed up at >> about a 30 degree angle. >> >> >> >> I have seen something similar with 900 MHz. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* TJ Trout <[email protected]> >> >> *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 8:15 PM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Do you want to see this stuff here? >> >> >> >> How does LTE penetrate hills? This is the second or third "through a >> hill" story in the last week? >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Patrick Leary <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> RSRP, it is a measurement. It is a truer number than RSSI, which is only >> an estimate (so I'm told). As Ken said, basically add 30 to get an idea of >> the RSSI value. >> >> >> >> *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID* >> >> On Jun 13, 2015 5:36 PM, Mathew Howard <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Yeah... something like that. Notice that is -108 CINR, not RSSI, like the >> numbers we're all used to. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I think Patrick said to add 30 dB to Telrad signal numbers because they >> were “per subcarrier” or something? >> >> >> >> *From:* Colin Stanners <[email protected]> >> >> *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:17 PM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Do you want to see this stuff here? >> >> >> >> Patrick, I haven't been following Telrad but that's too incredible - I >> can't see how -108, which is below the noise floor for any reasonable >> channel bandwidth (20mhz+?) could get any reasonable speed, much less >> those. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Patrick Leary <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Should I resist sharing this sort of thing? If it's out of line, let me >> know Chuck. >> >> <mime-attachment.png> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Steve Discher >> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 7:51 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [Telrad] Another Telrad success story >> >> >> >> Not to flood the list with these but Zirkel is having great results. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************************************************************ >> >> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by >> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer >> viruses. >> >> >> ************************************************************************************ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************************************************************ >> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by >> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & >> computer viruses. >> >> ************************************************************************************ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************************************************************ >> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by >> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & >> computer viruses. >> >> ************************************************************************************ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************************************************************ >> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by >> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & >> computer viruses. >> >> ************************************************************************************ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >
