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On Jun 24, 2015 10:26 PM, "George Skorup" <[email protected]> wrote:

>  It's not ATPC, just SM uplink power control. Just like the old Trango
> 5800/5830 SU power leveling, but that didn't run in the background every
> two minutes like Canopy does today. It's an absolute must on synchronized
> systems like Canopy and ePMP where you're running the same channel back to
> back. Close hot SMs will hurt the opposite sector's ability to hear its
> SMs. Notice they don't let you turn this off on the 450, but you can set it
> to something stupid like -40. I set it at -57 (-60 per pol) system wide and
> it seems to work well.
>
> On 6/24/2015 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
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> Also EPMP has atpc. It does a great job.
>
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> On Jun 24, 2015 7:35 PM, "Daniel White" <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>  I was under the impression Canopy (450, not EPMP) did that today.  I’d
>> guess LTE systems maybe do as well?
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel White
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>> (303) 746-3590
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>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
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>>
>> A great idea. I'm one of those that think it should be required in 802.11.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
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>> On Jun 24, 2015 7:29 PM, "Daniel White" <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>  Also theoretically reduces interference.
>>
>>
>>
>> ATPC even on unlicensed links is a good idea.
>>
>>
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>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
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>>
>>
>> >extend the overall life of the radio head
>>
>> That's definitely nice to know!
>>
>>
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>> Josh Luthman
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>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Daniel White <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>  Okay so a little knowledge goes a long way :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> The MSE value is fine.  There are charts in the manual that describe
>> required MSE per modulation.  MSE is something like SNR, but different.
>> Anyways your value is good.
>>
>>
>>
>> ATPC is a great tool.  Number one failure of any radio is related to the
>> TX part of the radio… so the lower the TX power, the less stress on vital
>> components.  I absolutely recommend ATPC, on any vendors radio (assuming it
>> is implemented well) to extend the overall life of the radio head.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope that all helps!
>>
>>
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>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
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>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 12:53 PM
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>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status
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>>
>>
>> this is just over a ten mile hop, it had gotten out of alignment we went
>> up. the target was -43 on the original install and we met that then, no
>> degredation since we realigned it.
>>
>> I had never turned on ATPC, but when it was out of alignment one side was
>> -54 and still at full modulataion, so I turned it on with the target 50-55,
>> TX power is now staying at 8.
>>
>>
>>
>> I wonder though if that stress value is something I should be concerned
>> about, I dont know what is good or bad.
>>
>>
>>
>> I like keeping things neat on the rf side where I can, having that extra
>> 10db power seems reasonable for fade, but I dont want to be cooking a
>> chipset doing so
>>
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