Usually RF paths are symmetric, if it helps xmt I would expect it to help rcv.

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 8:26 AM
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spacial Diversity - helps how much?

Where you have multiple antennas, I believe it only helps on those antennas 
receiving.




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From: "Adam Moffett" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 8:14:01 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spacial Diversity - helps how much?

Ok, here's another dumb question:  If I only have spatial diversity on the 
tower side and not on the client side, does that actually help both directions, 
or only the uplink?  I was told in the past that it only helps on the uplink.



On 8/26/2015 9:16 PM, David Milholen wrote:

  Spatial Diversity is mainly used to over come multipath issues or a link that 
will stretch the curvature of the earth.
  It is really interesting what link planner does when you configure for 
spatial diversity on a link. There are a ton of 
  factors that go into getting reliability,throughput or both.

  The longest link I ever did was 71mile using 4x 4ft HP dishes on either end 
of the link with ptp600 radios.
  We had connection and enough reliable bandwidth to do what we needed.
  I dont think I ever saw much loss with rain fade either. That is what sold me 
on the product.

  When the link was configured it had to have the H and the  V swapped at 
opposite ends of the length and the spatial  distance 
  was slightly different at each end 




  On 8/26/2015 12:03 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:

Part of the idea between spatial diversity is creating a second path that won't 
have the same obstructions.  Take this out of the idea of the MIMO technology 
and simply go with the idea that possibly one path will have different or less 
tree blockage/absorption or possibly that reflections are more advantageous 
than a single path.  I did this in an RV park but didn’t have anything to 
compare it to so did it work better, I'm not sure.   

Rory
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From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 8:20 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AFMUG] Spacial Diversity - helps how much?

There are a couple of products out there selling 4x4 MIMO (Telrad is one, but 
there are others).

In Telrad's case, two of the chains have a time offset from the other two, so 
you get two chains on each of two polarities.  Their default antenna is a 
single sector antenna with 4 N-connectors on it, so there's no significant 
spacial diversity.  In the past it's been suggested that we use two dual pol 
sector antennas and space them 3 feet apart to get spacial diversity.

When I asked why they do the single antenna, a source at Telrad told me that 
spacial diversity "only helps a little".  The party selling us the two panels 
considers it to add 6db when they run coverage projections.  
I suspect any gain from spacial diversity is going to depend on a lot of 
circumstances and I doubt it could be as simple as adding 6db.

I'm wondering if anyone here has any opinions on the topic?  Maybe even facts :)

(I'm sort of eyeballing a certain guy in Utah who designs antennas and isn't 
trying to sell me anything.)


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