I've noticed that often, someone's solution is really two or three pieces that are each billing the $1k - $1,500 or whatever a GigE should be. That then gets you a $3k or $4k bill. That's really popular with these BTOP and government type projects. We have fiber in our town 11111 Yeah, um, but it doesn't go anywhere. GigE for $600!!!! yeah, but it doesn't go anywhere. These guys can get you to Chicago for $1,500. yeah, so then a GigE really isn't $1,500... If they do happen to go to a useful town, they may go to the wrong POP. Around here, Northwestern University is a popular place for government types to go because that's where the international R&E networks are. Great, but that's not where the commercial Internet is. You need to be in 350 Cermak. Oh? One guy actually said he purposely didn't go to Cermak. Huh? You purposely didn't go to the best connected building in the market? Are you high?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ty Featherling" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 8:28:50 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit test via Mikrotik That should tell you what we have been dealing with for options out there. The transport through the co-op is the real problem. It is ridiculous. -Ty On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 8:25 AM, Mike Hammett < [email protected] > wrote: Rarely is Verizon cheaper than anything... ;-) ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: "Ty Featherling" < [email protected] > To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 8:21:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit test via Mikrotik Our existing link out of Llano goes across 16 miles of fiber built in conjunction with the City to get us to a POP for the Co-op West Central Comm. That gets us transport to San Saba where we get our bandwidth currently from Central Texas Telephone. Verizon both beat their price and delivered to us without transport costs right in Llano so I hope it works out. We are going to keep both for redundancy but put the lion's share on the cheaper Verizon POP. -Ty On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> If you can make it up to San Saba, Windstream and Zayo are there. Otherwise, you're in a bit of a drought. A lot of west Texas has been filled in by the builds I referenced earlier. Doesn't help you immediately, but some options for the future. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ty Featherling" < [email protected] > To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2015 10:57:48 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit test via Mikrotik We are Central, West of Austin. This new pop is at the far western end of our network in little old Llano, TX. -Ty On Sep 1, 2015 10:18 AM, "Mike Hammett" < [email protected] > wrote: Where are you at in Texas? There have been a lot of builds in Texas the past couple of years. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: "Ty Featherling" < [email protected] > To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2015 8:52:02 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit test via Mikrotik Thanks all. This is in small-town Texas where Verizon refused to sell any bandwidth since they were on a TDM network there as I understand it. A storm came through and caused some major damage and in the process they made some major changes. I don't know what those changes were but as soon as they were complete they were suddenly selling bandwidth to all comers. We have been the first to bite since our options in that town are slim. They had to do all kinds of work and order some "card" that they needed in order to turn our link up once they ran the fiber from their CO to our POP. It has all been delayed multiple times and most recently our turn up was delayed a week because Tier 2 was investigating a performance problem on the circuit that was limiting it to about 800mbps. They literally called me the next day after telling me that to say it was all better but that is why I am suspicious. Thanks all, Ty On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Faisal Imtiaz < [email protected] > wrote: ok.. this is how 'conspiracy' theories are perpetuated......especially when the dots are connected differently or 'some' information is provided in a hand it down manner.... ATT = Many Network = Many Technolgies Yes on TDM network there was no such thing as 1GIG, and optics and conversions were very expensive. however as my kids say (they are in their early and mid 20's)... "... that is ancient......" For most practical purposes, the Major ILEC's have shutdown their ATM networks (over the last 5 year), and switched more and more of their networks over to Ethernet. (hint.. hint.... Ethernet over fiber has less regulations vs any kind of TDM) The 25/30% performance difference between expected and actual is most likely to be due to network path between the the far router he is testing with...or something else.... I would not waste too much time on hitting the carrier on the head with those results.. I would put traffic on it and let it fly... if you see issues with actual traffic levels (packet loss, or bandwidth usage tapering) then I would go back to the Carrier.... It makes no sense for any carrier today to deliver a 1gig transport, throttled to 700meg.... yes if it is built on a vpls/ or evpn (i.e. l2 on top of l3) then it is possible that there is a congested route..... either way it will be a lot easier for both of you and them to troubleshoot it with actual traffic (if and when that happens) than running iperf tests.... Obviously, you have to take this with a grain of salt, and YMMV. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] From: "George Skorup" < [email protected] > To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2015 1:14:33 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit test via Mikrotik I asked because AT&T has had this long-standing policy not to build a PTP ethernet circuit over 600Mbps. If you want a true 1Gbps, you have to buy a 10Gbps hand-off, and that's a lot of $. Not sure if Vz does/did the same thing. I think it came from the fact that the older LED based optics were limited to 622Mbps. Or maybe something to do with ATM/OC-12 type stuff. I don't know, but this is still the case even on their pure ethernet ASE network. It's no longer a technical limitation, they just force you to buy the more expensive hand-off. On 8/31/2015 10:42 PM, Ty Featherling wrote: Gigabit ethernet. Delivered via fiber to my CCR. -Ty On Aug 31, 2015 9:41 PM, "George Skorup" < [email protected] > wrote: What type/provider is your circuit? On 8/31/2015 8:07 PM, Ty Featherling wrote: I saw 788/440 UDP. I have suspicions this link isn't performing at gigabit so thanks for the test. -Ty On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Sterling Jacobson < [email protected] > wrote: Yeah, try me at 108.165.31.1, let me know if you can get in and what you see. It’s a CCR on a 10Gbps connection. From: Af [mailto: [email protected] ] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 1:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AFMUG] Gigabit test via Mikrotik Anyone have a Mikrotik on a 10 gig connection that I can test to from a newly turned up gigabit Verizon circuit? -Ty </blockquote>
