Agreed. -Ty
On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > It's like saying I purposely chose the hooker with unidentifiable elements > around her fun zone. *slap* > > These guys all need to get a pair (of strands) into the big market nearby > and quote it end-to-end all on-net. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > > Midwest Internet Exchange > http://www.midwest-ix.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Wednesday, September 2, 2015 8:34:58 AM > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit test via Mikrotik > > I've noticed that often, someone's solution is really two or three pieces > that are each billing the $1k - $1,500 or whatever a GigE should be. That > then gets you a $3k or $4k bill. That's really popular with these BTOP and > government type projects. We have fiber in our town 11111 Yeah, um, but it > doesn't go anywhere. GigE for $600!!!! yeah, but it doesn't go anywhere. > These guys can get you to Chicago for $1,500. yeah, so then a GigE really > isn't $1,500... If they do happen to go to a useful town, they may go to > the wrong POP. Around here, Northwestern University is a popular place for > government types to go because that's where the international R&E networks > are. Great, but that's not where the commercial Internet is. You need to be > in 350 Cermak. Oh? One guy actually said he purposely didn't go to Cermak. > Huh? You purposely didn't go to the best connected building in the market? > Are you high? > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > > Midwest Internet Exchange > http://www.midwest-ix.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Ty Featherling" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Wednesday, September 2, 2015 8:28:50 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit test via Mikrotik > > That should tell you what we have been dealing with for options out there. > The transport through the co-op is the real problem. It is ridiculous. > > -Ty > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 8:25 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Rarely is Verizon cheaper than anything... ;-) >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> http://www.midwest-ix.com >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Ty Featherling" <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 2, 2015 8:21:23 AM >> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit test via Mikrotik >> >> Our existing link out of Llano goes across 16 miles of fiber built in >> conjunction with the City to get us to a POP for the Co-op West Central >> Comm. That gets us transport to San Saba where we get our bandwidth >> currently from Central Texas Telephone. Verizon both beat their price and >> delivered to us without transport costs right in Llano so I hope it works >> out. We are going to keep both for redundancy but put the lion's share on >> the cheaper Verizon POP. >> >> -Ty >> >> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> If you can make it up to San Saba, Windstream and Zayo are there. >>> Otherwise, you're in a bit of a drought. A lot of west Texas has been >>> filled in by the builds I referenced earlier. >>> >>> Doesn't help you immediately, but some options for the future. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ty Featherling" <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2015 10:57:48 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit test via Mikrotik >>> >>> >>> >>> We are Central, West of Austin. This new pop is at the far western end >>> of our network in little old Llano, TX. >>> >>> -Ty >>> On Sep 1, 2015 10:18 AM, "Mike Hammett" < [email protected] > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Where are you at in Texas? There have been a lot of builds in Texas the >>> past couple of years. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>> http://www.midwest-ix.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: "Ty Featherling" < [email protected] > >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2015 8:52:02 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit test via Mikrotik >>> >>> >>> Thanks all. This is in small-town Texas where Verizon refused to sell >>> any bandwidth since they were on a TDM network there as I understand it. A >>> storm came through and caused some major damage and in the process they >>> made some major changes. I don't know what those changes were but as soon >>> as they were complete they were suddenly selling bandwidth to all comers. >>> We have been the first to bite since our options in that town are slim. >>> They had to do all kinds of work and order some "card" that they needed in >>> order to turn our link up once they ran the fiber from their CO to our POP. >>> It has all been delayed multiple times and most recently our turn up was >>> delayed a week because Tier 2 was investigating a performance problem on >>> the circuit that was limiting it to about 800mbps. They literally called me >>> the next day after telling me that to say it was all better but that is why >>> I am suspicious. >>> >>> >>> Thanks all, >>> Ty >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Faisal Imtiaz < [email protected] >>> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ok.. this is how 'conspiracy' theories are perpetuated......especially >>> when the dots are connected differently or 'some' information is provided >>> in a hand it down manner.... >>> >>> >>> >>> ATT = Many Network = Many Technolgies >>> >>> Yes on TDM network there was no such thing as 1GIG, and optics and >>> conversions were very expensive. >>> >>> >>> >>> however as my kids say (they are in their early and mid 20's)... "... >>> that is ancient......" >>> >>> For most practical purposes, the Major ILEC's have shutdown their ATM >>> networks (over the last 5 year), and switched more and more of their >>> networks over to Ethernet. (hint.. hint.... Ethernet over fiber has less >>> regulations vs any kind of TDM) >>> >>> >>> >>> The 25/30% performance difference between expected and actual is most >>> likely to be due to network path between the the far router he is testing >>> with...or something else.... >>> >>> >>> >>> I would not waste too much time on hitting the carrier on the head with >>> those results.. I would put traffic on it and let it fly... if you see >>> issues with actual traffic levels (packet loss, or bandwidth usage >>> tapering) then I would go back to the Carrier.... >>> >>> >>> >>> It makes no sense for any carrier today to deliver a 1gig transport, >>> throttled to 700meg.... yes if it is built on a vpls/ or evpn (i.e. l2 on >>> top of l3) then it is possible that there is a congested route..... either >>> way it will be a lot easier for both of you and them to troubleshoot it >>> with actual traffic (if and when that happens) than running iperf tests.... >>> >>> >>> >>> Obviously, you have to take this with a grain of salt, and YMMV. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>> Miami, FL 33155 >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: "George Skorup" < [email protected] > >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2015 1:14:33 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit test via Mikrotik >>> >>> >>> >>> I asked because AT&T has had this long-standing policy not to build a >>> PTP ethernet circuit over 600Mbps. If you want a true 1Gbps, you have to >>> buy a 10Gbps hand-off, and that's a lot of $. Not sure if Vz does/did the >>> same thing. I think it came from the fact that the older LED based optics >>> were limited to 622Mbps. Or maybe something to do with ATM/OC-12 type >>> stuff. I don't know, but this is still the case even on their pure ethernet >>> ASE network. It's no longer a technical limitation, they just force you to >>> buy the more expensive hand-off. >>> >>> >>> On 8/31/2015 10:42 PM, Ty Featherling wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Gigabit ethernet. Delivered via fiber to my CCR. >>> >>> -Ty >>> On Aug 31, 2015 9:41 PM, "George Skorup" < [email protected] > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> What type/provider is your circuit? >>> >>> >>> On 8/31/2015 8:07 PM, Ty Featherling wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I saw 788/440 UDP. I have suspicions this link isn't performing at >>> gigabit so thanks for the test. >>> >>> >>> -Ty >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Sterling Jacobson < >>> [email protected] > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yeah, try me at 108.165.31.1, let me know if you can get in and what you >>> see. >>> >>> >>> >>> It’s a CCR on a 10Gbps connection. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Af [mailto: [email protected] ] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling >>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 1:10 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [AFMUG] Gigabit test via Mikrotik >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Anyone have a Mikrotik on a 10 gig connection that I can test to from a >>> newly turned up gigabit Verizon circuit? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Ty >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > >
