+1000 on the frothpack.  We applied it (per chucks recommendation) several
years ago and it made a huge difference!!!

Like I said earlier too, I'd highly recommend applying rainx which makes
the panels slick.  Between that and the extra heating from the insulation
our panels produce a significantly greater amount of electricity.

FYI we are in NW CO and we typically get 350-500 inches of snow per winter.
 (~30-40 feet!)  it typically snows everyday of December and most of jan &
feb.  we have 4 solar sites with propane generator backup (we have 1 week
battery banks, but that much snow requires generator backup)

2 cents

-Sean

On Sunday, September 20, 2015, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:

> Yeah, the antifreeze system was a bit spendy.  We used an electric hot
> water heater tank due the fact it has a tube that goes to the bottom.  Used
> a CO2 tank from a soda machine.
>
> I had some photos of insulated and non insulated side by side.  It was
> fairly dramatic when full sun came out on fresh snow.  Snow was all off the
> insulated panels by 10 am and the non insulate still had some snow in them
> when the sun went down.
>
> I am of the opinion that you have to ensure there is no air gap between
> the insulation and the backs of the panels.
>
> Spray foam can be purchased in “froth pak” kits.  It is not messy.  Very
> easy to apply.  Two tanks that look like freon tanks.  They feed into a
> disposable gun.  They give you a few disposable  nozzles because once you
> start spraying, the nozzle is good until you stop.  The chemicals mix in
> the nozzle and it plugs up in seconds after stopping spraying.
>
> *From:* Steve D <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 20, 2015 1:55 PM
> *To:* af <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The dreaded annual "how to keep snow and ice off
> my solarpanels" thread
>
> Anyone got any pics of insulated panels side by side with uninsulated
> panels?  We tried taping a piece of styrofoam to the back of one once, but
> it never seemed to make enough of a difference (especially for the hoar
> frost that plagues our mountain tops).  Bosses aren't convinced the mess of
> sprayfoam would be worthwhile.
>
> I enjoyed reading your testing with the different sprayers Chuck.  The
> antifreeze was fairly expensive though if I recall?
>
> -Steve D
>
> On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
>
>> I did lots of experiments about 15 years ago adding heat to panels with
>> various methods.  Heat tape,  hot air blowers, exhaust, all kinds of ideas
>> were worked on.
>>
>> I came up with two things that work.  First, lots of insulation on the
>> backs.  Spray foam worked extra good.  It  helps to speed up snow/ice
>> sliding/melting off when the sun comes out.
>>
>> Second thing that works is the application of antifreeze.  Propylene
>> glycol is environmentally safe for the wildlife.   Sprayer at the top works
>> pretty good.  We rigged up one tank that was pressurized with air and had
>> solenoid valve that was turned on via telemetry.  Takes almost no energy to
>> pump.  Did CO2 pressurization too but that will carbonate the antifreeze
>> and it doesn’t spray as well.
>>
>> You can vent the tank and have it drain back if you want.  I also tried a
>> deicing product made from beet juice.  It didn’t work too well.  Plugged up
>> the spray nozzle.
>>
>> *From:* Steve D <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 20, 2015 12:05 AM
>> *To:* af <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] The dreaded annual "how to keep snow and ice off my
>> solarpanels" thread
>>
>> Maybe it's Saturday night exhaustion talking, but piping the exhaust from
>> a standby generator toward the back of solar panels a bad idea?  I'd expect
>> it to not put heat on the panels in the summer except it's weekly exercise
>> cycle but that shouldn't be too bad?  LP too so shouldn't be any soot.  Or
>> would this just create one little hole of open panel and a pile of ice?
>> Bad in general for the panels?
>>
>> If I did this again, I'd put the damn thing directly under the panels...
>> these Onan's get stinking hot.  My little "cool running", comparatively
>> speaking, portable yamaha's will melt a two foot radius of snow around them
>> if they run for a good length of time, all this heat going to waste!  The
>> Onan would probably clear the whole rack if it was sitting right below it.
>>
>> Grumble grumble... snow... something, something, curse words...
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Steve D
>>
>>
>
>

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