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ryan -- D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc broadband | telco | colo | communities PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294 425-939-0047 > On Sep 29, 2015, at 19:41, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software> wrote: > > Well, I guess the simple solution to being stupid at clothes is to stop > getting dressed. > >> On 9/29/2015 9:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> This thread apparently. ;-) >> >> Clothes for one. I'm sure my fiance has a couple more. I'm sure a few here >> have a few more as well, but I figured that was a good seed. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 9:32:46 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar >> >> I don't believe that Mike. What are you stupid at? >> >> On 9/29/2015 9:31 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> Naw, not all. I buy some things at which I'm not stupid at. I certainly do >> buy some things I am stupid at, though. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 9:25:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar >> >> Ya. All customers are stupid :) >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> On Sep 29, 2015 10:21 PM, "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> wrote: >>> That's not very nice! >>> >>> On 9/29/2015 9:15 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>> Most customers are stupid. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 4:17:01 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar >>> >>> that a very non customercentric approach >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software> >>>> wrote: >>>> The end game will be to enable a user to import their own data however >>>> they want. When we will get to that point, I'm not sure. And all the >>>> formatting of that data and everything else is still up in the air. >>>> >>>> I really want to let people self manage their systems though. I think it's >>>> incredibly frustrating to wait on someone else to go back and forth on >>>> something like an import, whether that data is from Platypus, Quickbooks >>>> or whatever it might be. And it's a lot of manpower on our side to manage >>>> all those imports, so it's mutually beneficial if we can make it happen. >>>> >>>>> On 9/29/2015 3:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: >>>>> Also, import from Platypus? >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 2:24 PM >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar >>>>> >>>>> This should be an interesting answer.... >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Jay Weekley >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 2:22 PM >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar >>>>> >>>>> Does it come with an "Import From Powercode" button? >>>>> >>>>> Simon Westlake wrote: >>>>>> Yeah. I'm not saying 'we promise, there will never be any bugs.' But, >>>>>> we're not putting something out and saying 'ehh, it probably works. If >>>>>> it doesn't, it's beta!' >>>>>> >>>>>> The whole platform is built around automated testing. Every single >>>>>> thing we can think of has an automated test written around it. So >>>>>> anytime we change anything, we can run our test suite (which already >>>>>> takes a very long time..) and know categorically if we've broken >>>>>> anything. On desktop, mobile, the API, billing, one credit card >>>>>> processor in particular - everything. >>>>>> >>>>>> Makes it a lot easier to say 'we're very confident this works.' >>>>>> >>>>>> I think, the other thing that is going to make this different is we're >>>>>> not trying to make every single thing possible for every single >>>>>> person. We brought an accountant on board to help design the billing >>>>>> system. She directed us in the application of a lot of the billing >>>>>> functionality so it could be reported properly and audited properly. >>>>>> This means it's pretty likely at some point, somebody is going to ask >>>>>> to do XYZ, and we're going to say no - not because we don't want to, >>>>>> but because we've built a system that adheres to a specific set of >>>>>> principles, and in the eyes of the system, deviating from those >>>>>> principles is fundamentally wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>> The good side of that is that things just work in a sane way, and >>>>>> we're really confident that anyone with an accounting background is >>>>>> going to be happy with the reporting and audit trail in the system. >>>>>> We're building the front end to be pretty simple and easy to use (you >>>>>> don't need to be a CPA to figure out how to bill) and that's really >>>>>> how we're trying to approach each part of the system - have a clear >>>>>> set of laws defined for how a specific system works, and then build >>>>>> interfaces that lets humans easily use them. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/29/2015 2:59 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: >>>>>>> � >>>>>>> read the forum / notes.� it basically says "no beta. >>>>>>> ever.�".��� not sure how that will work... >>>>>>> that's a LOT of testing for it to never be released to beta... >>>>>>> i mean, we all use the software in a different way... >>>>>>> � >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> *From:* Brett A Mansfield <mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2015 1:30 PM >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Only question I have is will it be beta forever? I'm kinda done >>>>>>> with all of this beta crap. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 29, 2015, at 11:42 AM, Josh Luthman >>>>>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No it's CALLED sonar.� Which means it doesn't have it.� >>>>>>>> Isn't that what all the cool clubs do? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Daniel White >>>>>>>> <afmu...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It uses Sonar.� Geesh. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Daniel White >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> afmu...@gmail.com <mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>__ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Skype: danieldwhite >>>>>>>> Social: LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84>: >>>>>>>> Twitter <https://twitter.com/DanielWhite84> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh >>>>>>>> Luthman >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2015 10:54 AM >>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> OK.� Why does it have a radar detector?� Does it know >>>>>>>> that speeding is wrong? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> >>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> >>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Simon Westlake >>>>>>>> <simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, when it detects radar, it shuts down. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/29/2015 11:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When is the release date? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How much processing power does it take? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How does it perform in the real world? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Will it do DFS? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>> <tel:937-552-2340> >>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>> <tel:937-552-2343> >>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Adam Moffett >>>>>>>> <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hah. >>>>>>>> Will it be more or less than Powercode? >>>>>>>> Will it be more or less than Platypus? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/29/2015 12:08 PM, Simon Westlake wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, I can confidently say that it will cost >>>>>>>> more than Freeside. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/29/2015 11:07 AM, Vlad Sedov wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is it more expensive than Freeside? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ehheh >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Vlad >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/29/2015 10:37 AM, Simon Westlake >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'll be sharing stuff on the list, >>>>>>>> forum and blog as time goes on. >>>>>>>> Nothing just yet, but we are >>>>>>>> bringing the first few early access >>>>>>>> participants in who won't be in NDA, >>>>>>>> so they are free to share anything >>>>>>>> they want as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No, it's all original code built on >>>>>>>> completely different technology than >>>>>>>> Powercode was. It's a very different >>>>>>>> platform. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/29/2015 10:35 AM, Steve wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Can we get any more details?� >>>>>>>> Screen shots?� Etas?� >>>>>>>> Roadmaps?� Like is this a fork >>>>>>>> of Powercode or from the ground >>>>>>>> up? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Simon Westlake" >>>>>>>> <simon@sonar.software> >>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, >>>>>>>> 2015 11:04:37 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ISP >>>>>>>> Billing Solution: Sonar >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't dare ask which part. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/29/2015 9:39 AM, Josh >>>>>>>> Luthman wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Reminds me of Silicon Valley. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>> <tel:937-552-2340> >>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>> <tel:937-552-2343> >>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 29, 2015 10:32 AM, >>>>>>>> "Lewis Bergman" >>>>>>>> <lewis.berg...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> � � �Maybe he got good >>>>>>>> advice from a lawyer. I am >>>>>>>> not one but my >>>>>>>> � � �understanding is >>>>>>>> that a noncompete can't be >>>>>>>> so broad as to prevent >>>>>>>> � � �future >>>>>>>> employment, which moving out >>>>>>>> of the country would definably >>>>>>>> � � �qualify as. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> � � �On Tue, Sep 29, >>>>>>>> 2015, 9:19 AM Keefe John >>>>>>>> <keefe...@ethoplex.com >>>>>>>> � � >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> �<mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> � � � � �Maybe >>>>>>>> he's operating from a >>>>>>>> moonbase...or russia. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> � � � � �On >>>>>>>> 9/29/2015 9:16 AM, Chuck >>>>>>>> McCown wrote: >>>>>>>> � � � � �> Wonder >>>>>>>> how Simon is getting around >>>>>>>> Bertram's 5000 mile non >>>>>>>> � � � � �compete >>>>>>>> � � � � �> >>>>>>>> exclusion zone? >>>>>>>> � � � � �> >>>>>>>> � � � � �> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Keefe John >>>>>>>> � � � � �> Sent: >>>>>>>> Tuesday, September 29, 2015 >>>>>>>> 8:14 AM >>>>>>>> � � � � �> To: >>>>>>>> Animal Farm >>>>>>>> � � � � �> >>>>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] New ISP >>>>>>>> Billing Solution: Sonar >>>>>>>> � � � � �> >>>>>>>> � � � � �> This >>>>>>>> website just popped up >>>>>>>> today.� The product looks >>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>> � � � � �exciting! >>>>>>>> � � � � �> I can't >>>>>>>> wait to find out more about >>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>> � � � � �> >>>>>>>> � � � � �> >>>>>>>> https://sonar.software/ >>>>>>>> � � � � �> >>>>>>>> � � � � �> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://sonar.community/t/announcing-sonar/30 >>>>>>>> � � � � �> >>>>>>>> � � � � �> >>>>>>>> � � � � �> Keefe >>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>> � � � � �> Ethoplex >>>>>>>> � � � � �> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>> Avast logo <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> >>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >>>>>>>> software. >>>>>>>> www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as >>> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >
