While that is true, it can be installed on a PC and is a LOT easier than a web 
GUI. And it can configure many at once or one at a time. It can also auto 
configure an extender for you in just two clicks.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Oct 7, 2015, at 12:21 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> My guys hate the Apple routers because they can’t be configured from a web 
> GUI, you need the AirPort software on your computer.  At least that’s what 
> they tell me.
>  
>  
> From: Brett A Mansfield
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 1:08 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers?
>  
> For my customers that want me to sell them or manage their solution I charge 
> an extra $25 install fee and $5/mo. I use edgerouters as the router and an 
> airport express in bridge mode for the wireless. I can throw on as many of 
> the airports as needed to get the job done for an extra fee.
>  
> It works really well. I haven't had any customer complaint with it. They 
> don't have to power cycle anything ever either.
>  
> I buy the airport express in bulk refurbished direct from Apple. If they 
> don't have them refurbished I just buy new, but that hasn't happened yet.
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
>> On Oct 7, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Sterling Jacobson <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> This is my biggest gripe right now.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The more internet you provide to them, the worse this problem is.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I think my contractors are selling mid-range $100 linksys routers.
>> 
>> I’m not sure that’s the best thing.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I too need to find a handful of routers that really get the job done right.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I’ve noticed the Apple routers tend to be pretty good, especially if they 
>> have Apple Ecosystem/devices.
>> 
>> And apple extenders seem to work better with their apple environment and are 
>> way easy for the customer to set up.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Other than Apple, I usually recommend a router with external antennas.
>> 
>> And TRY to get our people to NOT install the routers in the basement under 
>> all the metal ducting, lol!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ideally they are installed on the main floor in a somewhat central location.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> What I am considering is selling a NON-wireless router for our end point 
>> inside the house near the clustered wiring.
>> 
>> Then programming any router they get in BRIDGE mode.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I still don’t like doing that because the router features are something most 
>> of these people want anyways.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> But with my speeds I would almost just rather make sure they have a wired 
>> Gigabit Ethernet router that I can manage and I know is capable, then let 
>> them buy however many wireless routers they need to fill in gaps all over 
>> their house (or, preferably, ONE powerful wireless router).
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I just don’t want to be stuck changing port forwarding crap etc.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> What I really wish was that a separate company would do this for a one time, 
>> or monthly charge and handle all their router woes.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 11:39 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks for the input guys.
>> 
>> I was mostly looking at what to recommend. I'd rather help on occasion, but 
>> my responsibility ends at the CAT5 coming out of the POE.
>> 
>> I've been bouncing around the idea of a $5 a month managed RB951 2HnD or 
>> something.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> 
>> From: Justin Wilson - MTIN
>> 
>> To: [email protected]
>> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 11:51 AM
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> My take on this is you have to look at what supporting a customer router 
>> costs you in support and service calls.  We have several clients who are 
>> doing one of a couple things.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Some are selling a managed router service for $X a      month.  This is 
>> typically a Mikrotik the ISP has access to.  The ISP sets up the wireless, 
>> manages the router, and other such functions.   This allows for a reference 
>> point on the customer side for testing, etc. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The other way to approach this is if you don’t want mess with router 
>> configuration some folks are including a “modem” that is essentially a hAP 
>> or 750.  This is just in bridge mode or is the PPPOE client.  The customer 
>> then is free to plug in their own router if they so desire, but you still 
>> have a reference point from the customer side.  If you need a customer to 
>> bypass their router you simply ask them to plug into port5 or whatever on 
>> your “modem”. That port can be setup to do DHCP or whatever.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> You have to look at how much support consumer routers is costing you.  Many 
>> folks look at the cost of the routers and the cost to install them or 
>> replace them.  But if it cuts your support calls by 30% that might mean the 
>> difference between hiring another person, or other “soft” costs.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Justin Wilson
>> 
>> [email protected]
>> 
>>  
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Oct 7, 2015, at 11:58 AM, Glen Waldrop <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Are there any consumer routers that don't suck these days?
>> 
>> I used to recommend Linksys/Cisco, but since the Belkin buyout quality seems 
>> to be going down. They jink with teh firewall and I can't block specific 
>> outgoing traffic, can't remote admin anymore, etc...
>> 

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