I am talking about sound quality...don't like the digitized voice...sounds robotic and requires repetition to understand....many are changing from Motorola to Harris and ones I mentioned. I prefer the analog voice....I have worked on all of the above.....yes a 140.00 dollar Icom is not a 450.00 Motorola....but it sounds better to my delicate ears. Wasn't kicking a sacred cow
Jaime Solorza On Nov 4, 2015 6:36 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]> wrote: > Good to know you base your opinion on fact. > There are several reasons Kenwood and ICOM are inferior but most of them > don't show up until you have a larger commercial system with lots of users. > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015, 6:01 PM Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Sounds crappy....no matter what anyone says. I like the Kenwood and >> Icom better >> >> >> Jaime Solorza >> On Nov 4, 2015 4:57 PM, "Brian Webster" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> P25 or Project 25 was a Motorola proprietary technology that was >>> developed in the 80’s. They championed it to APCO to become the digital >>> standard for public safety radio systems. APCO would not adopt it until >>> Motorola agree to license it to other manufacturers. That delayed the >>> process a very long time and Motorola went kicking and screaming in to the >>> agreements at first. It was not cheap for a manufacturer to go that way but >>> APCO did not want a single vendor solution. In the rest of the world the >>> Tetra standard was adopted but again this are older technologies. Now the >>> push is for LTE and Voice over LTE. When the FCC mandated narrowbanding for >>> analog VHF and UHF radio systems they gave a 15 year window to migrate. >>> Even with that much lead time big cities like NYC, Boston, DC and others >>> did not make the deadline because it was typically a complete system >>> replacement. These big cities got waivers with a plan to migrate, those >>> plans were special licenses for the Firstnet spectrum and the plan to >>> develop a public safety grade/reliable voice over IP type network to become >>> their primary dispatch radio system in conjunction with their data >>> deployments. That VoLTE development is ongoing. They need a lot more >>> reliability than what Nextel and CDMA push to talk cellular solutions >>> currently deliver. >>> >>> >>> >>> Given that VoLTE development and the push for FirstNet systems, many >>> folks argue that it’s a waste of money to go P25 at this point. There are >>> even some Tetra deployments now in the US. Seems to me a standard that >>> follows LTE and will also work in the narrowband spectrum of public safety >>> radio systems is more productive. I started my wireless career in public >>> safety radio designing and selling Motorola systems. I think they build a >>> great product but P25 radios are way too expensive for smaller agencies to >>> afford them. With the proliferation of sub $100 FCC approved Chinese radios >>> out there, it’s real hard to justify these digital systems when one is on a >>> budget. P25 radios are in the $1500 per radio price range. Small fire, EMS >>> and law enforcement agencies have a hard time paying those prices. There >>> are benefits to digital systems but in all honesty many users don’t take >>> advantage of them. The cost of the central site controllers for the system >>> really pushes the price tag up. To add insult to injury almost all federal >>> grant programs now state that if there are radios involved, they HAVE to be >>> P25 compliant. The DOD has mandated all radios be P25 compliant. If Utah is >>> getting grant money that is probably why they are going P25. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank You, >>> >>> Brian Webster >>> >>> www.wirelessmapping.com >>> >>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *[email protected] >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 04, 2015 4:56 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT 2-way radio systems >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, that is helpful. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* George Skorup <[email protected]> >>> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 4, 2015 2:50 PM >>> >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT 2-way radio systems >>> >>> >>> >>> Illinois has state-wide P25 (owned and operated by Motorola Solutions). >>> Interoperability between agencies and all of the other P25 stuff is nice, >>> but every little town can't afford it and that's why we still have little >>> dispatch centers that represent small communities and make use of regular >>> old analog VHF. Plus, a lot of users on the state system say the coverage >>> sucks, and that would be Motorola not building enough sites. >>> >>> On 11/4/2015 1:16 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>> In Utah, there is a very very large proposal to change all the 2-way >>> radios for public safety out to a P25 system.� Some of the opponents say >>> this is an outdated system.� I had not heard that before.� Looking for >>> opinions.� >>> >>> >>> >>
