PlayStation 4 encryption supposedly used by terrorists to stay under radar...damn On Nov 15, 2015 12:58 PM, "Jason McKemie" <[email protected]> wrote:
> This. Certainly has to be one of our worst failed leadership > installations. Pretty much went against everything we say we stand for - > and it backfired, big time. > > On Sunday, November 15, 2015, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> As far as evil dictators go, one wonders how the world would be if we had >> not installed and maintained the Shah. >> >> *From:* Ken Hohhof >> *Sent:* Sunday, November 15, 2015 12:35 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT more political opinion >> >> There was a reason Poppy Bush didn’t take Baghdad and topple Saddam when >> he could have. Junior thought he knew better. Hah, Poppy is a wimp, I’ll >> show him. No, Poppy was a realist, and knew the evil dictator in Baghdad >> was better than the alternatives, at least from our self interested >> perspective. He just needed his wings clipped when he tried to take Kuwait >> (which he probably wouldn’t have tried if we had sent clear signals that >> would be a no-no). >> >> Not that all the evil dictators we supported were a good idea in >> hindsight, like Pahlavi, Batista, etc. >> >> >> *From:* Chuck McCown >> *Sent:* Sunday, November 15, 2015 1:02 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT more political opinion >> >> OK, so pride between CIA bureaucrats got us into Iraq the second time, we >> still almost prevailed. >> >> If you remember the “mission accomplished” event, at that time Jay Garner >> was the head of the Coalition Provisional Authority. Garner was a get’er >> done type of guy but he liked polo shirts instead of suits. >> >> He told the White House that we could control the whole Iraqi regular >> army by giving them all a washing machine and a small paycheck every >> month. He had most of the family/clan leaders pacified and was expecting >> to truly win the hearts and minds of the civilians. >> >> So, what happened.... >> >> Because Jay was not wearing suits he was not presenting the best image of >> the USA and he got summarily replaced by Paul Bremmer. Paul must be >> smarter than Jay because he replaced Jay, right? So he gutted the plans to >> pacify the regulars and they (Iraqi Army Regulars) then made alliances with >> the various clans and it all went to hell. >> >> Again pride. We got a second chance and Pride killed it again. >> >> *From:* Chuck McCown >> *Sent:* Sunday, November 15, 2015 11:42 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG][WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis >> français >> >> Interesting book about an Iraqi informant that just wanted a Mercedes >> from the CIA. His code name was curveball and that is also the name of the >> book. The CIA had the internal folks fighting with the external folks >> about whether we could trust this source. The source was being interview >> by Germans. We chose to believe his story about the WMD labs etc instead >> of vetting it thoroughly. >> >> Turn out he was full of BS and we lost a bunch of kids in Iraq as a >> result. >> >> Internal pissing contests between CIA bureaucrats is what ultimately >> caused that fiasco. Pride. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curveball_(informant) >> >> Surprised there is not a movie yet. >> >> *From:* Mathew Howard >> *Sent:* Sunday, November 15, 2015 9:37 AM >> *To:* af >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG][WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis >> français >> >> >> I'm not sure anyone thinks that going into Iraq in the first place was a >> good decision, at this point... >> >> I've always thought Kurdistan should at least be independent, but Turkey >> won't let that happen... >> On Nov 15, 2015 10:30 AM, "Jaime Solorza" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Stay out of politics is what I meant >>> On Nov 15, 2015 9:28 AM, "Jaime Solorza" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Whoa. I want to stay out but Bush got us into Iraq when Afghanistan was >>>> were we needed to be all along. Even his dad has stated that and facts >>>> have shown this was a mistake plus helped leave vacuum filled by Isil ....I >>>> take this very personally as my son served in Iraq and tells me it was >>>> wrong. Now he is in and out of hospital and rehab clinics dealing with >>>> PTSD and other symptoms. Obama inherited this mess. No easy solution >>>> when dealing with fanatics...any kind....look at KKK and other hate groups >>>> here in USA. Its a tough reality. God bless us all. >>>> On Nov 15, 2015 9:18 AM, "Mathew Howard" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have to agree... even if we had stayed in Iraq, there wouldn't be a >>>>> stable democracy, it just isn't going to work in that part of the world. >>>>> Six brutal dictators probably would be just about the only way to >>>>> stabilize >>>>> the mess. Either that, or we go back and occupy it... forever, which I >>>>> don't think many people would want to do. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 8:04 AM, Lewis Bergman < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I am no Obama or Hillary fan but I don't think staying would have >>>>>> been all that different in the end. Everyone has failed at peace in the >>>>>> middle East. Everyone will fail. I honestly don't understand why everyone >>>>>> keeps trying. In my opinion the best thing is what you mentioned. >>>>>> We should get with Russia, since they have the inside line on >>>>>> dictators, and find about six really brutal people to take over the >>>>>> middle >>>>>> East. Judging from our Iran experiment we could get maybe forty years of >>>>>> peace. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015, 7:53 AM Rory Conaway <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> We had our chance to stop it in Iraq, we cut and run. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And you are right, we didn’t do the right bombing in Vietnam to stop >>>>>>> that war. And what Ford did at the end is the lesson Obama should have >>>>>>> learned which could have prevented much of what happened in the Middle >>>>>>> East >>>>>>> including ISIS. Apparently they didn’t teach history to at Harvard. >>>>>>> Imagine the influence a multi-cultural and stable Iraqi government would >>>>>>> have had on the region. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rory >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Lewis >>>>>>> Bergman >>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 15, 2015 6:31 AM >>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis >>>>>>> français >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Collateral damage is highly underrated. Vietnam had no wholesale >>>>>>> bombing like WWII. that is one reason Vietnam, and the rest of these >>>>>>> conflicts, last so long. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The horror of war has to be brought to everyone, including those >>>>>>> making the decisions, to bring it to an end. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But having said that, this Muslim extremists movement has been been >>>>>>> going on for about 700 years so it may be to much to expect to be out of >>>>>>> war again. There may be a lull, but I think the entire world has been >>>>>>> drawn >>>>>>> into the middle East quagmire. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The primary cause damn sure isn't a two degrees warming tend in a >>>>>>> couple decades. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015, 7:05 AM Rory Conaway <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The problem is that they are basically imbedded with civilians. >>>>>>> How do you kill them without taking out everyone else. That is the >>>>>>> problem >>>>>>> we have had all along. Door-to-door warfare is all that you can do but >>>>>>> it’s also the most dangerous for our soldiers and nobody is going to >>>>>>> allow >>>>>>> wholesale bombing like Nixon did in Vietnam. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We also burned a lot of good will in all the countries we need to do >>>>>>> this with when we got the local civilians to act as translators and >>>>>>> informants and abandoned them after the war, the highest profile of them >>>>>>> the doctor in Pakistan. Even he is still in jail years later but the >>>>>>> reality is, nobody trusts us any more in those regions. We are not a >>>>>>> reliable ally. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rory >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jaime >>>>>>> Solorza >>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 14, 2015 11:06 AM >>>>>>> *To:* Animal Farm <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis >>>>>>> français >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> as much as i hate war and killing....I agree we need to make a >>>>>>> parking lot out of them... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wireless Systems Architect >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 915-861-1390 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The more of this that happens, the more the rest of the world will >>>>>>> unite to rub them out. I am a hopeless optimist. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 14, 2015 7:52 AM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *To:* Animal Farm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG][WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis >>>>>>> français >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes. I am praying for them and the world. What a tragedy.. It is >>>>>>> beyond barbaric..its evil for the sake of evil. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jaime Solorza >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 13, 2015 10:15 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oui , et pas seulement cela , nos cœurs et nos prières pour tous >>>>>>> ceux qui sont touchés par cette Sensless actes brabaric . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From: *"Patrick Leary" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <[email protected]>, "Telrad List" < >>>>>>> [email protected]>, [email protected], [email protected] >>>>>>> *Sent: *Friday, November 13, 2015 7:46:29 PM >>>>>>> *Subject: *[WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tonght, chaque personne libre est un Parisien. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Patrick Leary >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Telrad >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ************************************************************************************ >>>>>>> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by >>>>>>> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & >>>>>>> computer viruses. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ************************************************************************************ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wireless mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>
