Disinterested was probably the wrong term. I should have said a
neutral third-party but it’s irrelevant.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2015 11:47 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis
français
I suspect that's true, but they at least used to put a little bit of
effort into appearing disinterested... they don't really seem to care
anymore.
On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Adam Moffett <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I'd wager that news as a disinterested third party never existed
outside of a textbook. Wasn't the Spanish-American War started by
sensational journalism?
I wonder how coverage of the Boston Tea Party in American papers
compared to coverage of the same event in British papers. Or even the
coverage by a Tory journalist versus a Patriot journalist.
We all see through our own eyes.
On 11/16/2015 12:44 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
News as a disinterested third party, is pretty much dead. All
news organizations have a political leaning including BBC, Al
Jazeera, and NPR. In many cases it’s not what they report, it’s
what they fail to report that is just as bad or worse. BBC rarely
reports anything negative about the British Government and is as
bad as the New York Times about not reporting anything negative
about a Democrat. Of course both of them do it, but the amount of
time or the amount of resources will be far less than the opposite
side of the side of the issue. Al Jazeera never reports anything
bad about the Muslim or Islamic faith and NPR is almost as bad as
the BBC when it comes to never saying anything about a liberal
government. I think NBC, CBS, and ABC have the same advisor
telling them what negative information not to report on Obama for
example. As for NPR, they lost all credibility with me when they
fired Juan Williams because he said something their management
didn’t like and he is a huge liberal.
There is an argument now that Google can pretty much influence an
election by a huge amount by pushing positive news information in
their search engine about their liberal candidate up while
simultaneously doing the same thing in a negative light towards a
Conservative candidate.
At this point, it’s pretty much up to us to watch news
organizations from both sides of the aisle and try to sort out the
truth.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
*Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2015 8:11 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis
français
+1. Since we have a pretty good idea of what slant that CNN and
Foxnews will put on things without looking, respectively, I just
glance at that both once in a while. BBC is a good choice.
Paul
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2015 9:34 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis
français
BBC is good. Al Jazeera is surprisingly informative and seems to
lack spin.
I listen to NPR continually.
Card carrying GOP but am truly libertarian, cannot vote demo
primarily due to guns and the abortion issue.
Fox news is like eating a whole bag of halloween candy. After
watching fox I have to watch some Rachael Maddow to be able to
drive straight again.
(In reality, I avoid TV news. Radio and Google News is were most
of my disinformation comes from).
I don’t like apologists, religious or otherwise. I like the best
truths I can find.
I really hate partisan politics. Blood sport all based on pride
and self aggrandizement. Does nothing for the people.
*From:*Glen Waldrop <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:*Monday, November 16, 2015 7:20 AM
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG][WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis
français
You're right on one thing, politics is not as cut and dried as all
of that.
Obama is a jackass.
Fox news is far from perfect.
As a businessman though I recommend not calling your potential
customers dumb though. Fox may be a group of liars, but at this
point in time they are the least biased news source in the US (50%
biased vs 100%). Pretty much all of the rest of them are brown
nosing the left so bad I can't see how they haven't suffocated
themselves.
When I want news with little BS I tend to lean towards BBC myself.
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Patrick Leary <mailto:[email protected]>
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:*Monday, November 16, 2015 7:24 AM
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG][WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos
amis français
The world is such a simple place when everything is Obama’s fault.
Somebody smashes a glass to the ground. 12 years later, people
blinded by partisanship blame the person who tried to glue
some of the pieces back together, but the glass still won’t
hold water so it must be his fault. Extremely disordered
cognitive functioning.
…Never mind the real subtleties all the “informed” people on
the Right seem to forget, chief among them that the IRAQI
POLITICIANS SAID THE ONLY WAY WE COULD KEEP OUR TROOPS IN
COUNTRY WAS TO REMOVE THEIR IMMUNITY AND MAKE THEM SUBJECT TO
LIABILITY AND PROSECUTION. No one on this side of the pond
wanted that, from the DoD to BOTH parties. Of course, FOX
viewers either are too dumb to know this or intentionally
pretend that was not the reality, in order to take yet another
“it’s Obama’s fault” grade school insult. It’s just way more
satisfying or simpler for their juvenile world view to believe
“it’s Obama’s fault!” What, are you 10 years old?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/05/world/middleeast/iraqis-say-no-to-immunity-for-remaining-american-troops.html?_r=0
People really need to educate themselves before spewing
childish partisan memes.
Patrick
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Rory
Conaway
*Sent:* Sunday, November 15, 2015 8:53 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos
amis français
We had our chance to stop it in Iraq, we cut and run.
And you are right, we didn’t do the right bombing in Vietnam
to stop that war. And what Ford did at the end is the lesson
Obama should have learned which could have prevented much of
what happened in the Middle East including ISIS. Apparently
they didn’t teach history to at Harvard. Imagine the influence
a multi-cultural and stable Iraqi government would have had on
the region.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Lewis
Bergman
*Sent:* Sunday, November 15, 2015 6:31 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos
amis français
Collateral damage is highly underrated. Vietnam had no
wholesale bombing like WWII. that is one reason Vietnam, and
the rest of these conflicts, last so long.
The horror of war has to be brought to everyone, including
those making the decisions, to bring it to an end.
But having said that, this Muslim extremists movement has been
been going on for about 700 years so it may be to much to
expect to be out of war again. There may be a lull, but I
think the entire world has been drawn into the middle East
quagmire.
The primary cause damn sure isn't a two degrees warming tend
in a couple decades.
On Sun, Nov 15, 2015, 7:05 AM Rory Conaway
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
The problem is that they are basically imbedded with
civilians. How do you kill them without taking out
everyone else. That is the problem we have had all along.
Door-to-door warfare is all that you can do but it’s also
the most dangerous for our soldiers and nobody is going to
allow wholesale bombing like Nixon did in Vietnam.
We also burned a lot of good will in all the countries we
need to do this with when we got the local civilians to
act as translators and informants and abandoned them after
the war, the highest profile of them the doctor in
Pakistan. Even he is still in jail years later but the
reality is, nobody trusts us any more in those regions.
We are not a reliable ally.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Saturday, November 14, 2015 11:06 AM
*To:* Animal Farm <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour
nos amis français
as much as i hate war and killing....I agree we need to
make a parking lot out of them...
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390 <tel:915-861-1390>
On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Chuck McCown
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
The more of this that happens, the more the rest of
the world will unite to rub them out. I am a hopeless
optimist.
*From:*Jaime Solorza <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:*Saturday, November 14, 2015 7:52 AM
*To:*Animal Farm <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG][WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez
pour nos amis français
Yes. I am praying for them and the world. What a
tragedy.. It is beyond barbaric..its evil for the sake
of evil.
Jaime Solorza
On Nov 13, 2015 10:15 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"
<[email protected]
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Oui , et pas seulement cela , nos cœurs et nos
prières pour tous ceux qui sont touchés par cette
Sensless actes brabaric .
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Tonght, chaque personne libre est un Parisien.
Patrick Leary
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