You are correct, but ...... 

How about if the radio was able to transmit at a bit higher power and have a 
5ghz failover builtin .... it is not going to go 5 miles, but practical range 
can be extended up to 1.5km 

In addition to that, if the radios were under $1200 / link what would you think 
of additional possibilities ? 

How about a last few hundered feet, distribution (via a PTMP Sector) for a 
fiber to Neighborhood deployment ? 
how about 4K high def street cameras ? Video surveillance ? 

lots of interesting possibilities, and yes you are right this is not a 
LongHaul, or Medium Long Haul product. It is for short, fat links... 

:) 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] 

> From: "Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 9:34:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

> Given the limitations on 60 GHz this will be a very short distance solution, 
> if
> it works at all... The rain fade at 60 GHz is extreme, which is why it's
> unlicensed compared to the "light license" system for PTP 80 GHz.

> In ITU rain zone D the max distance I use 60 GHz PTP at is 500 to 575 meters.
> That's with a 25cm parabolic antenna on each end. I'm talking about radios 
> like
> the Bridgewave GE60 and similar. Even at that distance the link will only have
> an availability over one year of around five nines, not six nines, and WILL
> drop out once or twice a year in super heavy rain burst events.

> 60 GHz is an excellent solution for a line rate FDD 1 Gbps PTP bridge, which 
> is
> indistinguishable from a router-to-router OSPF adjacency perspective from a 1
> Gbps fiber patch cable. Unless you're in a major city with tall towers & 
> market
> demand that will support $500/MRC+ customer services, I don't see how 60 GHz
> PTP would be very useful from a rural or suburban WISP perspective. Fiber fed
> radios on rooftops in downtown Vancouver, Seattle, Portland and San Francisco,
> sure. Not so useful for a typical rural WISP like somewhere 75 miles outside
> Boise.

> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Josh Reynolds < [email protected] > wrote:

>> Yes, there are quite a few companies coming out with 60GHz ptmp this year.
>> Should be fun.
>> On Jan 10, 2016 6:04 PM, "Mathew Howard" < [email protected] > wrote:

>>> I hope so... I can see some goid uses for such a thing...
>>> On Jan 10, 2016 4:46 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" < [email protected] > wrote:

>>>> Becareful of what you wish for...

>>>> We just might see a 60Ghz Sector before the year is out !

>>>> :)

>>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected]

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From: "Adam Moffett" < [email protected] >
>>>> > To: [email protected]
>>>> > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 11:32:20 AM
>>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

>>>> > very short range.

>>>> > Tx limit seems to be +10dbm.
>>>> > FSPL is higher than we're used to.
>>>> > There's also some sort of "resonance with oxygen molecules" issue that I
>>>> > don't understand but is supposed to cause attenuation.

>>>> > You do get lots of gain from directional antennas. I bet you could make
>>>> > a case for a 60ghz PTMP urban deployment. Like something where you
>>>> > light up the side of an apartment/office building with a sector antenna
>>>> > and then clamp a little dish on everybody's balcony railing.

>>>> >> Think Ubiquiti will come out with a 60 ghz PTMP Airmax AD solution?

>>>> >> On 1/9/2016 12:10 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>>>> >>> For those with inquiring minds !

>>>> >>> http://www.perasotech.com/

>>>> >>> http://www.virtual-strategy.com/2016/01/04/peraso-wigig%C2%AE-chipset-powers-ignitenet-wireless-ptp-links#axzz3wIi9ZODJ


>>>> >>> Regards



>>>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>> >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>>> >>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>>> >>> Miami, FL 33155
>>>> >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>>>> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected]

>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>>> From: "Chuck McCown" < [email protected] >
>>>> >>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 10:49:16 AM
>>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router
>>>> >>>> I cannot imagine integrating 60 GHz on standard silicon.

>>>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >>>> From: Stefan Englhardt
>>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 11:27 PM
>>>> >>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

>>>> >>>> Some Dell Notebooks. It will be integrated into standard WIFI
>>>> >>>> Chipset so you
>>>> >>>> will see combined 2,4/5/60GHz Chips.
>>>> >>>> Just starting.

>>>> >>>> -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
>>>> >>>> Von: Af [mailto: [email protected] ] Im Auftrag von Jay Weekley
>>>> >>>> Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Januar 2016 07:18
>>>> >>>> An: [email protected]
>>>> >>>> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

>>>> >>>> Are there any consumer devices that have a 60 GHz adapter?

>>>> >>>> Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>> >>>>> And 4K video takes what, something like 25 Mbps? So you can watch 200
>>>> >>>>> of them at once!
>>>> >>>>> And notice it only has gigabit ports. Shouldn�t it have at least
>>>> >>>>> one
>>>> >>>>> SFP+ port for 10 gig wired? Maybe this is for the person who has
>>>> >>>>> their own media server in their house (but hates wires). It had
>>>> >>>>> better be in the same room with the router, since 60 GHz is not going
>>>> >>>>> to penetrate walls very wall.
>>>> >>>>> Perhaps people are going to have gaming and multimedia PCs that 
>>>> >>>>> stream
>>>> >>>>> the raw video over the home wireless network to their tablet or some
>>>> >>>>> sort of thin client. Kind of along the lines of the wireless TV
>>>> >>>>> receivers you get with satellite and cable now, or an extension of 
>>>> >>>>> the
>>>> >>>>> Chromecast concept.
>>>> >>>>> *From:* Bill Prince <mailto: [email protected] >
>>>> >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 1:19 PM
>>>> >>>>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto: [email protected] >
>>>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router Very
>>>> >>>>> funny!

>>>> >>>>> Interesting statement:

>>>> >>>>> There�s quite a few technical reasons as to why the jump to
>>>> >>>>> 60GHz is a good thing, but the most important for the average
>>>> >>>>> consumer is speed. The 5GHz band maxes out at 1,733Mbps, but the
>>>> >>>>> new 60GHz band can achieve wireless transfer speeds of up to
>>>> >>>>> 4,600Mbps. So streaming 4K video without a network cable? Not a
>>>> >>>>> problem.

>>>> >>>>> Oh right. Like all of us have 4.6 Gbps to the home... or even 1.7
>>>> >>>>> Gbps...


>>>> >>>>> bp
>>>> >>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

>>>> >>>>> On 1/8/2016 10:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>> >>>>>> Well, you gotta admit, it looks cool.� Price?
>>>> >>>>>> �
>>>> >>>>>> http://gizmodo.com/the-first-802-11ad-router-makes-your-wi-fi-network
>>>> >>>>>> -almo-1749163152

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