I assume that what Faisal is talking about is 5 GHz and 60 GHz in the same physical device, like Ignite's product.
I also assume that given that it is on one piece of hardware, they can impose some wizardry to determine when to fail over to 5 GHz instead of 60 GHz at the opportune time. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 8:40:48 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router I have 60 GHz installed in parallel with 5.7 for failiver, one has a much higher ospf cost on the router to router link. The problems: severe rain will cause 15-20 seconds of intermittent packet loss and terrible performance before the 60 link drops entirely. Let's say the link drops at -64 Rain bursts will take rssi to -67 for 2-3 seconds at a time and then a brief lull in rain had the rssi at -60 or -58. Repeat in 20-30 second cycles. The ospf failover is not instant. The 60 link can be planned with the same ospf cost metric as a patch cable because it is FDD and line rate. The 5GHz link is at best 200 Mbps and definitely not FDD. On Jan 10, 2016 9:05 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" < [email protected] > wrote: You are correct, but ...... How about if the radio was able to transmit at a bit higher power and have a 5ghz failover builtin .... it is not going to go 5 miles, but practical range can be extended up to 1.5km In addition to that, if the radios were under $1200 / link what would you think of additional possibilities ? How about a last few hundered feet, distribution (via a PTMP Sector) for a fiber to Neighborhood deployment ? how about 4K high def street cameras ? Video surveillance ? lots of interesting possibilities, and yes you are right this is not a LongHaul, or Medium Long Haul product. It is for short, fat links... :) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] <blockquote> From: "Eric Kuhnke" < [email protected] > To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 9:34:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router <blockquote> Given the limitations on 60 GHz this will be a very short distance solution, if it works at all... The rain fade at 60 GHz is extreme, which is why it's unlicensed compared to the "light license" system for PTP 80 GHz. In ITU rain zone D the max distance I use 60 GHz PTP at is 500 to 575 meters. That's with a 25cm parabolic antenna on each end. I'm talking about radios like the Bridgewave GE60 and similar. Even at that distance the link will only have an availability over one year of around five nines, not six nines, and WILL drop out once or twice a year in super heavy rain burst events. 60 GHz is an excellent solution for a line rate FDD 1 Gbps PTP bridge, which is indistinguishable from a router-to-router OSPF adjacency perspective from a 1 Gbps fiber patch cable. Unless you're in a major city with tall towers & market demand that will support $500/MRC+ customer services, I don't see how 60 GHz PTP would be very useful from a rural or suburban WISP perspective. Fiber fed radios on rooftops in downtown Vancouver, Seattle, Portland and San Francisco, sure. Not so useful for a typical rural WISP like somewhere 75 miles outside Boise. On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Josh Reynolds < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> Yes, there are quite a few companies coming out with 60GHz ptmp this year. Should be fun. On Jan 10, 2016 6:04 PM, "Mathew Howard" < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> I hope so... I can see some goid uses for such a thing... On Jan 10, 2016 4:46 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> Becareful of what you wish for... We just might see a 60Ghz Sector before the year is out ! :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adam Moffett" < [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 11:32:20 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router > very short range. > > Tx limit seems to be +10dbm. > FSPL is higher than we're used to. > There's also some sort of "resonance with oxygen molecules" issue that I > don't understand but is supposed to cause attenuation. > > You do get lots of gain from directional antennas. I bet you could make > a case for a 60ghz PTMP urban deployment. Like something where you > light up the side of an apartment/office building with a sector antenna > and then clamp a little dish on everybody's balcony railing. > >> Think Ubiquiti will come out with a 60 ghz PTMP Airmax AD solution? >> >> On 1/9/2016 12:10 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >>> For those with inquiring minds ! >>> >>> http://www.perasotech.com/ >>> >>> http://www.virtual-strategy.com/2016/01/04/peraso-wigig%C2%AE-chipset-powers-ignitenet-wireless-ptp-links#axzz3wIi9ZODJ >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>> Miami, FL 33155 >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Chuck McCown" < [email protected] > >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 10:49:16 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router >>>> I cannot imagine integrating 60 GHz on standard silicon. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Stefan Englhardt >>>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 11:27 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router >>>> >>>> Some Dell Notebooks. It will be integrated into standard WIFI >>>> Chipset so you >>>> will see combined 2,4/5/60GHz Chips. >>>> Just starting. >>>> >>>> -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht----- >>>> Von: Af [mailto: [email protected] ] Im Auftrag von Jay Weekley >>>> Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Januar 2016 07:18 >>>> An: [email protected] >>>> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router >>>> >>>> Are there any consumer devices that have a 60 GHz adapter? >>>> >>>> Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>>> And 4K video takes what, something like 25 Mbps? So you can watch 200 >>>>> of them at once! >>>>> And notice it only has gigabit ports. Shouldn�t it have at least >>>>> one >>>>> SFP+ port for 10 gig wired? Maybe this is for the person who has >>>>> their own media server in their house (but hates wires). It had >>>>> better be in the same room with the router, since 60 GHz is not going >>>>> to penetrate walls very wall. >>>>> Perhaps people are going to have gaming and multimedia PCs that stream >>>>> the raw video over the home wireless network to their tablet or some >>>>> sort of thin client. Kind of along the lines of the wireless TV >>>>> receivers you get with satellite and cable now, or an extension of the >>>>> Chromecast concept. >>>>> *From:* Bill Prince <mailto: [email protected] > >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 1:19 PM >>>>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto: [email protected] > >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router Very >>>>> funny! >>>>> >>>>> Interesting statement: >>>>> >>>>> There�s quite a few technical reasons as to why the jump to >>>>> 60GHz is a good thing, but the most important for the average >>>>> consumer is speed. The 5GHz band maxes out at 1,733Mbps, but the >>>>> new 60GHz band can achieve wireless transfer speeds of up to >>>>> 4,600Mbps. So streaming 4K video without a network cable? Not a >>>>> problem. >>>>> >>>>> Oh right. Like all of us have 4.6 Gbps to the home... or even 1.7 >>>>> Gbps... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> bp >>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>> >>>>> On 1/8/2016 10:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>>>> Well, you gotta admit, it looks cool.� Price? >>>>>> � >>>>>> http://gizmodo.com/the-first-802-11ad-router-makes-your-wi-fi-network >>>>>> -almo-1749163152 </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote>
