Fiber itself is cheap, most of the cost is getting the fiber in the ground, on poles, etc. Also, active has a pretty good reach, you may not need hardware in the middle depending on your setup.
On Sunday, January 17, 2016, Kevin Radunz <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, I agree. > The big reason for looking at GPON in my case is saving fibers out to the > country and not needing remote hardware in the middle. If I can use 2 > strands to feed a subdivision that is 2 miles away, instead of using > 24/48/or 96 strands, I can more than double/triple the fiber footprint > for the same cost and not have costly switches/optics in remote > enclosures. If I was only running to MDUs active would be great. The > whole reason I started looking at GPON was that guys here on the lists > have said the GPON hardware is no more costly than the active equipment. > If that's true GPON would save a ton on the fiber plant side of things. > > > > That's fully retarded... The great thing about doing active-ethernet vs. > > any form of GPON or EPON is the much larger set of available equipment. > > Not > > everything you can use for active-E as necessarily designed or marketed > > for > > residential services, and that's a good thing. > > > > GPON and EPON equipment vendors still seem like they only want to sell to > > huge carriers that will commit themselves to getting married to a > platform > > for ten years, and buy a ton of it, not caring that it's proprietary. > > Yeah.... > > > > Stuff like 48-port 1000BaseT blades for routers you can install in MDUs > > and > > 24/48-port SFP switches are used in all kinds of places. > > > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 6:26 AM, Kevin Radunz <[email protected] > <javascript:;>> > > wrote: > > > >> They may be cheap but I inquired and they won't just give you pricing so > >> I > >> don't know. > >> They have to "Customize" a complete solution for you. > >> Typical big boy sales crap with an immediate NDA before they will talk > >> with you. > >> It completely turned me off on using Alphion. > >> > >> > >> > Ballpark on cheap? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- > >> > Mike Hammett > >> > Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> > http://www.ics-il.com > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Midwest Internet Exchange > >> > http://www.midwest-ix.com > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > >> > From: "Gerard Dupont III" <[email protected] <javascript:;>> > >> > To: [email protected] <javascript:;> > >> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:41:01 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F > >> > > >> > They're cheap and have good support. No random issues like other > >> vendors > >> > we've tried. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather use calix or one of the > >> big > >> > names, but I can't make the numbers work for the small wireless fed > >> > residential builds we keep doing. > >> > > >> > > >> > No they don't have a path to NG-PON2 that I'm aware of. I'm not > >> worried > >> > about that right now though since we are wirelessly feeding all of the > >> > neighborhoods. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Friday, January 15, 2016, Josh Reynolds < [email protected] > <javascript:;> > > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > What's so great about them over other vendors? Also, do they have a > >> path > >> > to NG-PON2? > >> > On Jan 15, 2016 9:09 PM, "Gerard Dupont III" < [email protected] > <javascript:;> > > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > <blockquote> > >> > We're doing Alphion now. We also have Dasan and ZTE systems in place. > >> Plan > >> > on migrating them to Alphion sometime this year though. > >> > > >> > On Friday, January 15, 2016, Sterling Jacobson < [email protected] > <javascript:;> > >> > > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > <blockquote> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > What are you using for GPON now? > >> > > >> > I’m starting to use some of the higher density 48 port Planet > >> switches > >> > in active. > >> > > >> > From: Af [mailto: [email protected] <javascript:;> ] On Behalf Of > Gerard Dupont > >> III > >> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 7:55 PM > >> > To: [email protected] <javascript:;> > >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F > >> > > >> > We have a few of those in place for a couple years now in non climate > >> > controlled cabinets. This will be the third winter. We're just using > >> cheap > >> > chinese bidi optics. Some from fiberstore. Customer sides are mostly > >> > MikroTik 2011 or rb260gs. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Had some minor issues early on but they were fixed in later l > >> firmware. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I can't remember the last time I had to touch them. They've been > >> solid. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > We've moved to gpon for any new builds or I'd probably still be > >> installing > >> > them. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Gerard > >> > > >> > On Friday, January 15, 2016, George Skorup < [email protected] > <javascript:;> > > >> wrote: > >> > <blockquote> > >> > > >> > Derp, I forgot. What do you have on the other end of the ports? > >> > Routerboards with bidi SFPs? We're not sure what we're going to do on > >> the > >> > CPE end yet. It's a multi party venture and those guys haven't made up > >> > their minds yet, other than each premise will have a pair and they > >> want > >> > active ethernet. I mentioned GPON and was told no. So then I said why > >> not > >> > do bidi and basically heard crickets. So whatever, I'm just in charge > >> of > >> > designing the core network inside their box of requirements. > >> > > >> > On 1/15/2016 8:12 PM, George Skorup wrote: > >> > <blockquote> > >> > > >> > Excellent. Thanks. > >> > > >> > On 1/15/2016 8:05 PM, Craig Baird wrote: > >> > <blockquote> > >> > > >> > We have this exact switch in service right now with Fiberstore BiDis. > >> It's > >> > never given us any trouble. > >> > > >> > Craig > >> > > >> > > >> > Quoting George Skorup < [email protected] <javascript:;> >: > >> > <blockquote> > >> > > >> > I'm working on a fiber project and was wondering if anyone else has > >> used > >> > this Planet switch? > >> > http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=48441 > >> > > >> > Is Planet picky about SFP modules? I was planing on ordering some > >> cheap > >> > single mode modules from Fiber Store to use with this and get the > >> project > >> > rolling. Such as: > >> > > >> > http://www.fs.com/1-25-gbps-gige-1000base-lx-lh-1310nm-20km-dom-industrial-temp-lc-smf-sfp-transceiver-p-37258.html > >> > > >> > Already ordered the switch, so we'll see what happens. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > </blockquote> > >> > > >> > > >> > </blockquote> > >> > > >> > > >> > </blockquote> > >> > > >> > </blockquote> > >> > > >> > </blockquote> > >> > > >> > </blockquote> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > >
