Sure; I didn't say his contribution was laughable! I said that to think
we wouldn't have tablets today without the likes of Steve Jobs is an
absolutely insane notion. I'd also say they pushed the bar and then
faltered, because even before he stopped being able to contribute to the
company they were rapidly loosing market share to devices that were
better and far more diverse and customizable to begin with. If we lived
in a Jobs only world, I think that creativity would eventually be
stifled and diversity marginalized. So while he kicked things up a
notch to begin with, I don't think it would have lasted, passing away or
not.
Plus, his attitude and approach failed MISERABLY twice before, once with
the way he tried to drive the Lisa team, and again with the way he tried
to drive the Macintosh team and ultimately got him fired for it. Third
time is the charm that makes you a sycophant's god I guess!
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------ Original Message ------
From: "Adam Moffett" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: 2/2/2016 1:51:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAD day
I think you are correct Sam.
Steve Jobs did make his contribution though, and he did it by being a
bigger jerk than all the other bosses. He would tell his people, "You
can do this better," and didn't accept anything that wasn't better.
The result was that when you put the iPhone next to any other phone
that was available at the time and it was way better than the others.
It all would have happened at other companies in a different time and a
different way, so yes you're still correct.
On 2/2/2016 12:34 PM, Sam Kirsch wrote:
Tablets would most certainly be around, companies started to try and
make them in the 1980s. MP3 players too. All these things existed
well before the iPod and the iPhone, and multiple companies had been
working on them already for decades. These things are all just
glorified PDA's, the Palm Pilot I had in 1998 pretty must disproves
any "X wouldn't be around without Y company" Technology is technology
and progress is progress... there's nothing groundbreaking here about
Apple AT ALL. My first couple PDA's had WiFi and GPS and there was
definitely a Palm Pilot PDA/Phone combo out around the time
Blackberry's started to appear a lot more, this is all before the
iPhone.... it may be just before or around when the iPod first came
out though. To think that technology wouldn't have made that leap to
full modern smartphones and tablets on its own without the likes of
Steve Jobs is just laughable.
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------ Original Message ------
From: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: 2/2/2016 12:28:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAD day
The world's most popular site and you don't think the world would
change? Really???
Apple is gone. People buy Blackberries and Android. Tablets
probably won't exist. Mp3 players would probably have come to
fruition without them. What else do they have?
Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 2, 2016 12:22 AM, "Travis Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote:
At least Apple makes products... products that literally changed the
computing world, the phone world, the retail world, created apps,
and the music world. Google created a search engine (actually
copying Yahoo, Webcrawler, Altavista and several others at the
time). They aren't a "product". They don't "sell" anything. They are
a webpage, just like Facebook.
Imagine your life without Google or Facebook. NOTHING CHANGES.
Yes, they built a better mousetrap using their intelligence and hard
work... but they aren't "inventors". They didn't create anything new
or groundbreaking.
Travis
On 2/1/2016 10:09 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
I'd much rather Google / Alphabet Inc. be in that position than
Apple with their overpriced yet restricted / non-upgradable /
crappy consumer electronics.
Google is making themselves the curator of access to the world's
information and communications. When you consider the value of
those, it's not just the most valuable company in matters of money.
The founders had incredible foresight in addition to their
intelligence and hard work.
On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:55 PM, Travis Johnson <[email protected]>
wrote:
http://www.ibtimes.com/alphabet-inc-goog-surpasses-apple-inc-aapl-become-worlds-most-valuable-public-company-2289113
"The world isn't run by weapons anymore, or energy, or money. It's
run by little ones and zeroes, little bits of data. It's all just
electrons."
~ Cosmo (Sneakers 1992)
Literally, a one page website for a company that is less than 19
years old is now the most valuable company in the world. :(
Travis
