I think several things tend to get confused: - aggregate sector capacity vs per subscriber speed - mobile vs fixed - usage based billing vs unlimited - best effort vs committed rate
With a mobile phone, and paying 10 Euro for 0.75 GB, you are going to use it for bursty, sporadic traffic during the day while you are mobile, not at home, not at work. You are not going to stream Netflix HD continuously from 8pm – 10pm, and the kids are not going to stream Youtube continuously from 4pm to 10pm. If nothing else, you can’t afford to do that on a metered connection. Plus everyone realizes mobile is best effort, if you are on a cell site that is heavily loaded at the moment, you probably won’t see that 50 Mbps. But given sporadic use, a 50 Mbps aggregate sector capacity might very well translate to individual subscribers often seeing 50 Mbps speed. We keep hearing how LTE will soon be delivering gigabit speeds, that’s another thing, obviously that only happens with lots of spectrum in multiple bands, probably both licensed and unlicensed. I don’t think any magic bullet gets you gigabit throughput in a 10 MHz channel. But that’s what mobile carriers do, buy lots of spectrum. I notice Andreas was careful to quote the sector capacity he was getting, and not imply that he could sell 40 Mbps plans to all his customers. That happens a lot though when sales people or fanboys are touting WiMAX or LTE, they set up one test link through some trees and get let’s say 20 Mbps, and talk like that means we can sell 20 Mbps plans and put 100 subs on each sector. From: Stefan Englhardt Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 1:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? Yes. This gear has only a chance in regions where there is no other option. I have a LTE Prepaid Card for 10 Euro with 200min phone and 750MB for 10 Euro. I see 50Mbit on my tablet. Von: Af [mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag von Jason McKemie Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Februar 2016 20:30 An: [email protected] Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? I suppose if you can charge accordingly. People seem to think they should be getting 50mbps for $20 with no install these days though... On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Stefan Englhardt <[email protected]> wrote: Thought this. But if you need coverage with lower licensed frequencies there are no cheap options. Von: Af [mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag von Jason McKemie Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Februar 2016 20:24 An: [email protected] Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? Given the price it takes to get into a system like this, 40-42 mbps seems a little light... On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Andreas Wiatowski <[email protected]> wrote: Since we have a 2.3Ghz license and use the 3000 product…Yes it delivers! The 3.65Ghz works well but at lower power…it is very hard to compare the two. The challenge we had initially was the delay in the EPC core… it’s rock solid now. We are running a 10Mhz channel on our licenced gear..we are hitting our predicted 40-42Mbps on the downlink in terms of capacity..so it does deliver. With our previous Wimax and LTE platform, I was luck to get 20-30Mbps out of a sector. For the record, we actually went into full commercial availability as of Jan 15…. And add about 3-6 new subs a day to the Telrad LTE… I’ll let you know how things shake out once it gets loaded up..we have approximately 450 Subs right now. Cheers, ______________________________ Andreas Wiatowski | CEO Silo Wireless Inc. Email [email protected] 19 Sage Court Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA) Tel +1.519.449.5656 Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free +1.866.727.4138 From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: February 12, 2016 11:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? Didn’t make the connection between that LTE and the stuff Patrick was pushing. So Andreas, does do all that super fantastic NLOS stuff Patrick was promising? From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 9:52 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? Andreas from Silo Wireless posted yesterday about their experience with it. I assume that was the Telrad LTE product, evolved from Alvarion WiMAX. From: [email protected] Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 10:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? Remember the days of posting about the works through solid rock product he was pitching. Which product was that and did the testing ever prove out? From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 9:22 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? Actually it shows an end date for telrad, followed by a new job entry which doesn't give much info. On Feb 12, 2016 9:18 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: Patrick’s Linkedin profile doesn’t seem to mention Telrad, so maybe something did change? From: Chuck McCown Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 10:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? What was the product he was so hot on a while back? Did it ever pan out? From: Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 8:46 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? i recently sent patrick an email and it bounced... hmmm On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> wrote: Lewis you owe me some dry cleaning... I spit out my coffee.. "Israeli hit squad "....MOSSAD On Feb 11, 2016 6:22 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]> wrote: That is quite the thorough explanation and I sincerely appreciate it. The effort to describe that in detail was great thanks. I have mixed feelings about an issue that requires an Israeli hit squad to come fix it but I assume that was on 3.65 and not true licensed. I am not sure if I would spend the money if I couldn't do it on licensed. But all together a solid recommendation. On Thu, Feb 11, 2016, 4:12 PM Andreas Wiatowski <[email protected]> wrote: I’ll pipe in. We were/are an early adopter of LTE. I can tell you that buying into the Telrad system has been a very good move for us. As of today, almost 450 Subscribers and 30 sectors deployed in 2.3Ghz and 3.65Ghz. We have a total build commitment consisting of 70 sectors and 2 EPC cores on our network. From there…who knows. We have been deploying 4 sectors with Back to Back frequency reuse using 2 eNodeB’s in split mode. Once we fill it up, we will deploy additional AP’s and continue to fill…..then once MU-Mimo is running we will double our subscriber possibility. Now that we have Breezeview running and ACS, we have complete visibility into our UE’s and infrastructure. The piece we need to get integrated is Powercode and the EPC. Was the LTE piece sold too early???…YES… Is it ready for commercial deployment now?….YES. Because of early adoption, we certainly appreciate the features and stability of the platform and EPC at this point. Thanks to other customers that adopted early, like us, many bugs and issues have been resolved. Another point to remember is that the technology has been heavily deployed by National Carriers in the WiMAX flavour as Alvarion…the hardware is hardened and works well in extremely cold temperatures and heat….and lightning resilient because of field proven/hardened components. LTE is absolute magic…. Our installers are loving a working, predictable platform now that we have a strong understanding of capabilities and I love the fact that new features are a software upgrade away. We are filling our schedules with customers that have been waiting a long time for our deployment. I can tell you we wasted a lot of money with other platforms/vendors, but I am very happy with our decision to go with Telrad. Also, kudos to Telrad. They have been absolutely terrific on the customer service front too…we had some very weird issues just before Christmas, they sent Guy from Israel on boxing day and we spent a week in the field diagnosing problems and solving them. Most of the problems were related to outside interference and on tower interference. This field diagnosing and knowledge level that Guy has in the product definitely instilled confidence in the product and sealed my faith in the decision I made to move forward with them. Cheers, ______________________________ Andreas Wiatowski | CEO Silo Wireless Inc. Email [email protected] 19 Sage Court Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA) Tel +1.519.449.5656 Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free +1.866.727.4138 From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: February 11, 2016 4:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad feedback, worth the $? Are you doing LTE or Wimax with Telrad, Sean? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Sean Heskett <[email protected]> wrote: We deploy mainly LOS with canopy 450 5ghz. However the telrad equipment has been amazing at connecting clients that are buried in trees. I'm extremely satisfied with the performance of the system...when it works. I added the qualifier of "when it works" because I feel like we've been a bit of a beta tester. It's a very new product on the bleeding edge and it's getting better all the time but we definetly bled more blood than I would have liked. 2 cents -Sean On Wednesday, February 10, 2016, TJ Trout <[email protected]> wrote: It seems as if the telrad discussions have gone cold, seriously looking at it for a new deployment but wanted to get some feedback from current users, Gino? Etc They have priced me out at about 45k for 4 radios, 4 sectors and the basic EPC. $285 for the CPE. This is a fortune compared to anything else, but if you can truly reach many more customers and load the aps higher it may pincel out for me... So what's the word ?
