Paul, What's wrong with zhone? Running 1800+ GPON customers on them with no issues.
-- Best regards, Mark mailto:[email protected] Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL Please Donate at Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html ------ Saturday, February 13, 2016, 3:01:09 PM, you wrote: PS> That assumes you want to work on Zhone gear Lￜ why not PS> Calix/Adtran etc?ￜ Personally I much prefer Calix for that kind of PS> stuffￜ PS> ￜ PS> Paul PS> ￜ PS> ￜ PS> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman PS> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 8:14 AM PS> To: [email protected] PS> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Active or GPon? PS> ￜ PS> What about somebody like Zhone? Last time I evaluated them PS> they had a "pizza box" GPON you could get into pretty cheap yet PS> they still had all the components you could want from the OLT to PS> ONT to a pretty inexpensive TR069 management SW platform. Making PS> good money in this business always seems to be about reducing PS> truck rolls. AE doesn't provide that much info end to end while PS> GPON and TR069 seem to be able to drown you in whatever you want PS> to see.ￜ PS> Like others have said, to me it is the cabinets spread over PS> everywhere that really turns me off. Negotiating, paying for, and PS> maintaining all those spaces just makes my head hurt. I don't know PS> what the possibility to turn 110 homes into something more are. If PS> designed right you could always migrate it to GPON to fold it into PS> a unified management system. The numbers we looked at the ONT cost PS> savings started to catch up with active around 75 users I think. PS> ￜ PS> On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 6:28 AM Chris Fabien <[email protected]> wrote: PS> Josh, PS> I don't think anyone is disputing that gpon is the right PS> solution for an isp with 1000s or millions of users. But Andreas PS> asked about 110. PS> That size of project is something I think a lot of WISP are PS> likely to be working on. Our fiber network is currently several PS> projects of that size - 50 to 200 homes within a few miles of a PS> powered cabinet in a remote area. Active was the cheapest way for PS> me to do that and supports 1gig to each home. PS> Power for a 20u cabinet ( 288 ports in our design) will be PS> about $30/mo when fully loaded. And just 2 strands back to our NOC PS> instead of 9 with PON which is very significant if you happen to PS> be leasing those strands, which we are in one case. PS> On Feb 13, 2016 4:48 AM, "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> wrote: PS> Eric it doesn't matter. That's 1024 strands, 1024 SFPs, more power PS> usage, more cooling, in multiple bigass cabinets. PS> Does. Not. Scale. PS> You take that into a dense suburb and that's what you end up with. PS> This is precisely why every decent ISP of size is deploying GPON and PS> not "active" fiber. The costs to get up _and_ maintain active is PS> several magnitudes higher. Let's say you were comcast and you were PS> rolling this out to your 22 million users on active. That's 22 million PS> SFPs, 22 million ports, an asston of strands, huge cabinets, large PS> batteries that have to get changed out every few years, HVAC, etc. PS> Even on a relatively common GPON deployment (32 way), you're talking PS> about a 32x reduction in port count, sfps, strands to pops, etc. from PS> 22million ports to 687k. That's nothing to sneeze at. PS> On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 3:24 AM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]> wrote: >> That's assuming all 1024 active ports are in one central location and not >> distributed around, like 96 ports in one place, accomplished with a pair of >> 48-port 1u switches (fed on a 10Gbps ring) accompanied by a beefy UPS, in a >> weatherproof ventilated 16U cabinet. >> >> Multiply by location of several network nodes each with anywhere from 1 to 6 >> 1U switches. >> >> On Feb 12, 2016 7:47 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> If you're doing a super small project, no more than a hundred or two >>> hundred customers in an area, then it can make sense. There comes to >>> be a point where the port cost of active does NOT scale. >>> >>> 1024 subs on GPON with a modest 32 way split is done with 32 GPON >>> SFPs, 32 ports, 32 way split per GPON SFP. 2 line cards in a 2U >>> chassis. >>> >>> On active, that's 1024 active ports and SFPs. That's insane. >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:44 PM, Chris Fabien <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > I am also a proponentￜ of active. Especially for small projects like >>> > this. >>> > Very low cost of entry. >>> > >>> > We looked at gpon including Alphion and ended up with still needing all >>> > the >>> > strands home run to the cabinet to fully load up each PON or we ended up >>> > with a bunch of money wasted on PONs that would never be fully utilized >>> > if >>> > we did splitting closer to the customer. >>> > >>> > On Feb 12, 2016 10:30 PM, "Andreas Wiatowski" <[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> So,ￜ I understand the benefits of GPon ... What brand would you >>> >> consider? >>> >> ... I have been looking at Alphion. Huawei seems like a good option... >>> >> But >>> >> much more expensive. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Cheers, >>> >> >>> >> ______________________________ >>> >> >>> >> Andreas Wiatowski | CEO >>> >> >>> >> Silo Wireless Inc. >>> >> >>> >> Emailￜ [email protected] >>> >> >>> >> 19 Sage Court >>> >> >>> >> Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA) >>> >> >>> >> Tel +1.519.449.5656 Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free >>> >> +1.866.727.4138 >>> >> >>> >> -------- Original message -------- >>> >> From: Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >>> >> Date: 2016-02-12 10:21 PM (GMT-05:00) >>> >> To: [email protected] >>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Active or GPon? >>> >> >>> >> You realize the transport core to the gpon OLT chassis is still active >>> >> fiber in many designs, right? I also am unsure if you are aware of the >>> >> upgrade process to NG-PON2 - you can run it on the same fiber strand as >>> >> your >>> >> existing PON split. Add the new card into the chassis and move the >>> >> split >>> >> over to the new SFP. Upgrade the customers at your leisure. >>> >> >>> >> On Feb 12, 2016 9:13 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Key part there is, is going to be...ￜ is it available or shipping now? >>> >>> If somebody wants to start a build now, the choice is between GPON or >>> >>> active. >>> >>> >>> >>> Having an active fiber path, even with just one strand (for BiDi >>> >>> optics) >>> >>> gives you a nearly infinite lifespan of the installed light path and >>> >>> cable >>> >>> plant, if things are maintained correctly. With a dedicated light path >>> >>> from >>> >>> each powered network node to the customer you could upgrade to >>> >>> active-E 10, >>> >>> then 40, then 100Gbps someday.ￜ Yes we will see customers with 10GbE >>> >>> optics >>> >>> in the next ten years. And maybe in 20 or 30 years from now it'll be >>> >>> cheap >>> >>> and easy to connect each customer with an SFP-sized coherent QPSK >>> >>> 100GbE >>> >>> optic at each end. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:08 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> 10-40Gbps on NG-PON2 is going to be the real deal, and betting >>> >>>> against >>> >>>> it vs active ethernet at scale for residential service is just... >>> >>>> dumb, to be honest (IMO). >>> >>>> >>> >>>> The size of your backbone ends up being monstrous with active, as >>> >>>> well >>> >>>> as having to keep the cabinets powered, UPS+batteries, enclosurers >>> >>>> maintained, etc. PON is simply so much cheaper are scale, and in >>> >>>> residential every dollar counts. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]> >>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> > I did forget to mention that I'm firmly on the side of activeE >>> >>>> > being >>> >>>> > the >>> >>>> > best choice, for one big reason...ￜ You can use all kinds of >>> >>>> > SFP-based >>> >>>> > equipment (24/48-port 1U switches) or chassis based switches and >>> >>>> > routers >>> >>>> > with 24/48-port blades from a huge variety of manufacturers. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > There's a lot of 48-port SFP stuff out there on the >>> >>>> > grey/refurb/used >>> >>>> > market >>> >>>> > that came out of datacenters, and no longer meets the bandwidth >>> >>>> > needs >>> >>>> > for >>> >>>> > people who are doing 10GbE (or 2x10GbE) to each bare metal >>> >>>> > hypervisor. >>> >>>> > But >>> >>>> > that same equipment is perfect for activeE. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > Same idea as a Cisco 3750G-48 is no longer enough bandwidth for >>> >>>> > 1000BaseT to >>> >>>> > the server in colo environments, but is perfect for MDU use. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > GPON/EPON/whateverPON is all a mess of manufacturer proprietary >>> >>>> > CPEs >>> >>>> > and >>> >>>> > non-interoperable stuff. Whereas with activeE and a real ethernet >>> >>>> > port >>> >>>> > for >>> >>>> > each customer you can use $30 media converters as your demarc. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Andreas Wiatowski >>> >>>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> Hi all, >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> Looking to do my first ftth for about 110 homes. >>> >>>> >> If I do active,ￜ what switch platform would you use for sfp in >>> >>>> >> cabinet and >>> >>>> >> in home router/cabinet. >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> If GPon,ￜ what vendor would you choose that is cost >>> >>>> >> effective/reliable >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> I understand the full limitations of GPon.. But I feel it is an >>> >>>> >> attractive >>> >>>> >> proposition compared to active... And the few systems I have seen >>> >>>> >> have a >>> >>>> >> road map to faster olt access. >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> Cheers, >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> ______________________________ >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> Andreas Wiatowski | CEO >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> Silo Wireless Inc. >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> Emailￜ [email protected] >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> 19 Sage Court >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA) >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> Tel +1.519.449.5656 Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free >>> >>>> >> +1.866.727.4138 >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
