So you wish to force your religious beliefs on others via legislation, in a country created to escape persecution from religion? On Mar 13, 2016 11:38 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Here is why a churches need to be involved with reproductive care, > contraception, or abortion. > > If you believe there is a God, Creator, Savior etc. > >Then if you believe that entity cares about these things (listed above). > >>Then if you believe that the mind of that entity has communicated its > wishes with man. > >>>Then if you believe that those wishes are contained in doctrine of > churches or bodies of scripture. > >>>>Then the church and its doctrine trumps all laws of man. > The church needs to be involved in all facets of life. If you believe the > above. > > You can claim to be agnostic or atheistic but a smart person should hedge > their bets against actually not knowing that they are totally right about > that. Could be that every time you eat spaghetti you are committing a > mortal sin. Could be. > > For me and mine, I will take my particular flavor of Christianity and do > my thing, while you do your thing. > But if I have an opportunity to legislate away things I consider mortal > sins, I will try. > > > > > > *From:* Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:54 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan > > > Why does any church need to be involved with reproductive care, > contraception, or abortion? > > Those are medical issues. > On Mar 13, 2016 6:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> Actually, my belief is here in the deep south we have a church on every >> corner. Let the churches handle it....they are more than capable. >> >> My tax dollars aren't needed for this. (or many other things) >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:18 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >> >> What many people who lose sleep over Planned Parenthood are actually >> upset about is they offer birth control. Some people obsess about poor >> people having sex without the punishment of getting pregnant. See this if >> you forgot: >> >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh%E2%80%93Sandra_Fluke_controversy >> >> I don’t understand how you can be extremely anti-abortion yet also >> extremely anti-contraception. Less unwanted pregnancies = less abortions. >> Which is the lesser evil? >> >> I think it comes down to some people are obsessed with sex, especially >> “other” people having sex. #nosyneighbors #getalife >> >> >> *From:* Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:48 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >> >> >> Did you research that video? You should. It's not what you think. >> On Mar 13, 2016 5:41 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Yah, i'm kind of like Chuck here. >>> >>> I don't care about gay marriage. I'm not gay, I know a handful of gay >>> people. Not my cup of tea but the government doesn't have any right >>> telling them what they can or can't do. >>> >>> Same with adoption for a gay couple - shut up gov'mt. Now, I'm not so >>> sure on that. When I was growing up there were few gay couples who had >>> "come out" and we thought if the girl had a different last name than her >>> mommy we thought that was odd. Quite a bit different now but it could >>> still screw with a kids head in terms of "traditional marriage". >>> >>> It would be hard to NOT state that traditional marriage has gone to hell >>> in this country. But then again, so many "traditional" things have gone to >>> hell. How many women stay at home and take care of the family while dad >>> goes to work? >>> >>> I am in favor of defunding planned parenthood. The videos pretty much >>> got to me. It's MY TAX DOLLARS. Defund it. There are plenty of other >>> non-government-funded entities who can do that work. >>> >>> Any tax is bad :) >>> >>> I'm going to stop there, i will get in trouble... lol >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:02 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>> >>> His stances: >>> Gay marriage is wrong >>> He doesn't support adoption for a gay couple >>> Defund planned parenthood >>> Raising corporate tax is bad >>> Voted yes for more sentencing and prosecution for juveniles. >>> Wants to drill in ANWR >>> Voted no on tax credits for renewable energy. >>> Voted no on 4 weeks paid parental leave for federal employees. >>> Votes for PATRIOT act over and over >>> Voted to allow warantless electronic surveillance against us citizens >>> Denied additional funding that would provide expanded child healthcare >>> "Let's build a fence!" >>> Voted NO on reporting / deporting illegal immigrants who received >>> hospital treatment >>> >>> Etc. A few things I like him on, but mostly he's a "nope" for me. >>> On Mar 13, 2016 4:46 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey, I said I liked him. Just not full on man crush. >>>> >>>> I didn’t see how his math added up for the budgets he proposed. There >>>> were some missing pages where magic happened to balance the budget. Seemed >>>> like the same old voodoo economics. >>>> >>>> So “man crush”, is that like Trump and Putin? At least Putin is >>>> supposedly an 8th degree black belt. He would probably take care of the >>>> protester himself. If Trump thinks he can bully the Putins of the world, >>>> I’m not so sure. I think McCain could take him in a fair fight. Hell, >>>> Bernie could probably take him. I was never fond of Nixon, but the photo >>>> of the “kitchen debate” with Khrushchev is a treasure. >>>> http://spectator.org/articles/41740/how-handle-bully-nixon-vs-khrushchev >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 4:19 PM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>>> >>>> >>>> I have actually followed Paul Ryan since the first time he appeared on >>>> the national stage. Very impressed with him. Could almost call him my >>>> "man crush". I'd be interested in hearing what you do not like about him >>>> Ken. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 2:04 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More >>>> AfterChicago Violence >>>> >>>> I think the "establishment" is missing why people are fed up with them, >>>> I'm >>>> not convinced it's about left or right. If I had to single out one >>>> person >>>> as the poster boy for why the establishment has failed us, it would be >>>> Mitch >>>> McConnell. All 4 leaders in Congress have only been worried about >>>> their own >>>> power and re-election, but McConnell is the worst of a bad bunch. >>>> >>>> I don't agree with Paul Ryan's economics or some of his politics, but I >>>> like >>>> what he has said since being elected Speaker. I would like to see if >>>> they >>>> are just words, or if he would translate them into actions. I don't >>>> think >>>> we will get to find out, election politics seem to have rendered him >>>> irrelevant. And Mitch the Turtle would have to be replaced with >>>> someone >>>> actually interested in governing. I wonder what conservative goals >>>> could >>>> have been accomplished in the 7 years Mitch has spent trying to make >>>> Obama >>>> fail no matter how much damage it causes. Tort reform? Modifications >>>> to >>>> Obamacare? Fix sequestration? Tax reform? Immigration reform? Mitch >>>> doesn't care. Mitch cares about Mitch. That's the problem with the >>>> establishment, they spend all their effort on getting elected and >>>> staying in >>>> power, they don't even pretend to do their job. And let me be clear, >>>> I'm >>>> not saying Pelosi, Reid and Boehner were much better, it's just >>>> McConnell is >>>> the most blatant hack of the bunch, every time I see him on TV I feel >>>> he is >>>> giving me the finger. >>>> >>>> I am probably fooling myself that Paul Ryan would be different, but I >>>> don't >>>> think we'll find out. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Bill Prince >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 1:40 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More >>>> After >>>> Chicago Violence >>>> >>>> IMO, Obama moved right, and the Republicans moved further to the right. >>>> >>>> bp >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>> >>>> On 3/13/2016 6:01 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: >>>> > Obama moved right as much as the Republicans moved left. Everybody's >>>> idea >>>> > of compromise these days is you come to where I am and I'll make a >>>> deal. >>>> >>>>
