It's actually not. I only affiliate with people who understand the true concept of tolerance. On Mar 15, 2016 8:06 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> You win the most confusing post of the day. > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2016, 8:03 PM That One Guy /sarcasm < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I really hate that black lives matter is automatically equated to black >> people. Blm is a VERY small subset of an already small subset of the black >> community. Definetly not representative of the whole. >> >> And I'm a non apologetic racist, every one of my black or Mexican friends >> will verify this. Hopefully I'm the last of a dying breed. >> On Mar 15, 2016 7:02 PM, "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> After all the crap about Trump supporters being violent, I’ve got a >>> timeline about who did what when. The point is, MoveOn organized the >>> protest a week in advance and Bill Ayers was involved in getting organizers >>> into the event. After the event, Black Lives Matters moved in and started >>> the violence, the looting, and blocking the freeways including ambulances. >>> >>> >>> >>> If we let these progressives get away with this, Trump would never have >>> another gathering. Apparently free speech is only allowed if you are >>> Liberal. I don’t condone violence outside the event but if they come >>> inside and start protesting and affecting the right to free speech, then >>> yes, violence is okay. The protestors should not be in there and if they >>> are, they trespassing, period. A lot of Americans died from 1776 on to >>> give us that right and nobody has a right to take that away. >>> >>> >>> >>> If there isn’t swift and harsh punishment to these criminals, and yes, >>> inciting violence is a criminal act, then what is going to happen at the >>> Republican Convention in Cleveland? These people need to understand there >>> is a civil way to do this and if they don’t know that lesson, then they >>> should be removed and jailed. Protest outside peacefully, protest inside >>> by sneaking in, then don’t whine when someone is violent towards you. You >>> are affecting their right to free speech and to organize. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Glen Waldrop >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:29 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> >>> >>> Well said. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* justsumname . <[email protected]> >>> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 1:09 AM >>> >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> >>> >>> The difference between 1968 and now, is, Saul Alinksy had not written >>> his book, telling his fellow rabble-rousers how to disrupt and destroy a >>> political system without resorting to murder and general violence. >>> >>> >>> >>> The difference between 1968 and now, is, if a "political activist" up >>> and attacked you (presumably for holding different political views), we >>> weren't so "politically correct" such that you *could* respond by punching >>> the jerk's lights out and the cops would arrest the 'activist'. Why? >>> Because everyone pretty much had a sense of 'right and wrong' and everyone >>> knew that attacking someone was wrong and not tolerated at all. Also, the >>> "individual Citizen" and private property was held in much higher esteem -- >>> defending both with effective force was not a crime. >>> >>> >>> >>> The difference between 1968 and now, is, the US Constitution was still >>> taught in schools and people had a damn clue when they discussed USA >>> political issues. Nowadays, we're just mobs with a cause, easily (mis)led >>> by false but emotionally-charged rhetoric and a false incarnation of >>> "victim". >>> >>> >>> >>> There also weren't very many years difference between 1968 and Senator >>> McAurthy's statements that "communists are infiltrating our educational >>> institutions, our media and our govt". Nowadays... all three are stuffed >>> overflowing with America-hating voices and political powers. The guy >>> sounds a little crazy but he got that part right. >>> >>> >>> >>> In 1968, people still knew what words meant and therefore agreed on >>> their meaning. Which also meant the 'rule of law' could possibly exist. >>> >>> >>> >>> There's also a movement afoot in the USA (alas the whole world, really); >>> greater than even Black Lives Matter. Even though the 'root cause' of BLM >>> has a bit of a point: blacks have been crapped on by... some 'authorities' >>> -- including the ones they vote for.... this bigger movement is called >>> Facts Don't Matter. >>> >>> >>> >>> This is true even among creatively intelligent people. You see, even >>> though, for example, Mr Trump has never said that he wants to, or is going >>> to ... 'round up and deport all Hispanic peoples'... you can read it here, >>> presented as 'fact'. Another example: Trump's supporters don't go to >>> Hillary or Bernie rallies and disrupt their right to political assembly, >>> but oh, it's Trump's fault that the OTHER supporters go to Trump's rallies >>> and disrupt his thing and then a scuffle breaks out and then the narrative >>> becomes "Trump and/or his supporters are violent". Damn. Taken right >>> out of Alinsky's textbook! Accuse the OTHER side of the very thing YOU >>> are doing. Of course this works best when the "media" is all down with it >>> all... >>> >>> >>> >>> Ahhh.... I have been telling people for quite a few years that the >>> 'United States is being destroyed', crazy foo' that I am! Citizen status >>> is being diluted and dissolved. The international, physical boundary (the >>> foundation of private land / property ownership) is being diluted and >>> dissolved. The elections have no verifiable integrity (but many of us >>> still call the USA a 'democracy'... wow the idiocy). Arbitrarily-defined >>> "civil rights" now supercede tangible, measurable, legally tactile property >>> rights. Courts are *impossibly* overloaded. The national 'money' is just >>> fancy paper. It says it's guaranteed by the US Govt. Fine. Except the >>> US Govt is in debt more than the size of the GDP. So... uhm... what the >>> hell does the money mean now? (and the big Federal "bank", aka Reserve, >>> is in debt something like 5 or 6 trillion due to several years of >>> 'quantitative easing'. heh... I don't know what the hell that means! It >>> sounds like a book-nerd term for 'masturbation' though! Which is better >>> than raping, although it's okay if the muslims rape, because, well, we >>> don't know, really, why we let them get away with it.... Look, a squirrel!!) >>> >>> >>> >>> And lastly, the last thing to go before a 'nation' falls off the cliff >>> is, the fourth thing which makes up a 'nation': the rule of law. Mr >>> Obama holds a few note-worthy records, some have been mentioned already. >>> I will point out that he holds the highest record of being ruled against by >>> the US Supreme Court by a 9-0 majority. Yeah, as in 'unanimously against >>> him'. So what does he do when he doesn't get his way with a court that he >>> helped stack with two of his own stooges? F'you, he does what he wants >>> anyway! I mean, seriously, who duh hell is gonna arrest the PRESIDENT?? >>> And, given for what passes as 'political discourse' in our country today: >>> since I didn't vote for Obama in 2008 or 2012, I am, 'therefore', >>> "logically" (as in Monty Python logically), a "racist". Anyway, let's >>> pretend that's a 'fact' (cuz remember that Facts Don't Matter) and I am a >>> "racist" for NOT voting for that domestic enemy... okay... ready... here >>> comes... Who Is Gonna Arrest the BLACK president?? (who isn't really >>> "black"... ahem... but Facts really Don't Matter anymore....) >>> >>> >>> >>> And so somehow, someway, everything somehow gets spun into some sort of >>> 'racial' thing, completely ruining the exercise of the 1st Amendment: >>> political discourse. Damn, what's left to ruin? Oh yeah, I remember! >>> Our national / geopolitical reputation! SO yeah, let's give $150 billion >>> to a terrorist nation which promises to kill us all someday. What a >>> PERFECT idea!!! ...I'm sure, like, they don't mean those, like, ugly >>> words. Cuz, like, I really think that us, like, being killed and all is >>> bad, and if it's, like, me being, like, killed, well, I don't *like* >>> that.... >>> >>> --- >>> >>> >>> >>> Love em or hate him, Trump has guts. He has put himself in front of >>> ALL THIS ^^^^^. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Jay Weekley >>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:00 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> And how many of us actually know how to play the banjo? >>> >>> Glen Waldrop wrote: >>> >>> For contrast, I’m in rural Alabama as well. It is a 50/50 split here. >>> We get along fine. >>> >>> It is funny how I keep hearing about how racist we are in the south from >>> a bunch of people that have less than 10% non-whites living in their home >>> towns. >>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <mailto:[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:50 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> Jaime.....I'm in rural Alabama. You know this. My city has probably 5 >>> blacks that live here. (and don't get me wrong, I work with a black man on >>> a regular basis and he's one of the hardest workers i have - i have >>> absolutely no issues with him). That being said, racism here was totally >>> generational when I was growing up. If you were old, you had some racism >>> still in your blood. No one my age or younger cared - it never came up - >>> and we just looked at old people funny and understood. >>> For some reason, now, it is not really like that anymore. >>> What changed? >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Jaime Solorza <mailto:[email protected]> >>> *To:* Animal Farm <mailto:[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:27 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> Hold up partner...first let's agree that we can disagree and still >>> have a beer together. Our founding fathers were men just like >>> you and me...sinners and not perfect.... while the intent of >>> Constitution said one thing...the reality was way different for >>> the Native Americans and African Americans. Entire nations wiped >>> out or moved to reservations....visit some in your beautiful state >>> of Arizona...I am sure they will be happy to hear your speech..or >>> go to Cabrini Green in Chicago... oh wait...it's gone...go to >>> parts of the south and east and talk to them about the >>> constitution. Learn the language... yes that ln makes >>> sense...on same token...look at most folks in Europe and Asia..and >>> more now in Middle East...they speak several languages....respect >>> our heritage? Don't think so Bubba...how quickly you forget >>> signs in restaurants and hotels >>> ..No Dogs, Negroes or Mexicans Allowed. Jim Crow era, KKK era, >>> voting and gerrymandered ploys to keep Republicans in office even >>> when population didn't reflect it, second rate education and >>> facilities for minorities..sending minorities in greater numbers >>> compared to whites to 'NAM...why do you think the hippies came up >>> in 60s? If you say drugs you are wrong...why protest of >>> convention in Chicago? And it was the Democratic Convention not >>> Republican. So I don't know what great heritage you are talking >>> about. I think it's great that folks keep in touch with their >>> culture....America is Not the Borg.... we can't all be blue eyed >>> blonde folks. That would be too Twilight Zone.... stop listening >>> to talk shows and Fox TV...try something novel...reading a history >>> book..but not one printed in Texas....ajuuaaa >>> >>> On Mar 12, 2016 9:56 AM, "Rory Conaway" <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> You know what Ken, let’s do this. >>> >>> You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is >>> that everyone is a victim. I probably have a much wider >>> diversity of friends, business partners, and colleagues than >>> you do and never has anyone ever called me racist. Because I >>> abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an >>> excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a >>> racist. That’s the pea-brained mentality of the >>> intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t understand that >>> there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply >>> don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. >>> However, we can define the problems created by race, race >>> hustlers, and liberals who don’t want to face facts, just >>> blame everyone else for their problems and failures. >>> >>> What I care about is that there is a class of people that are >>> not assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the >>> facts. You would rather stick your head in the sand and call >>> out those of us who see the truth racists. Here is a fact, >>> not having a solid family support system, not following the >>> law, and not working hard is a recipe for failure, regardless >>> of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so be it. >>> Stick your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and >>> stand by while our country falls apart because you don’t have >>> the intellectual honesty to face that fact that the greatest >>> country in the world is falling apart from within and from the >>> outside. Hell yes, I want our borders sealed and immigrants >>> required to learn our language and honor our heritage. Hell >>> yes I want every child to get a good education that honors >>> this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the men and >>> women who died to protect it. And until we recognize that >>> keeping an entire culture in poverty and ignorance by not >>> expecting them to excel is a bad thing, then we as a country >>> are doomed to further internal violence, strife, and >>> separation. I don’t care about the color, I care about the >>> fact that color is used as an excuse. >>> >>> The sad part is it’s not just any specific culture, it’s the >>> entire generation. There isn’t a manufacturer here that >>> doesn’t have engineering outside this country because they >>> can’t find enough engineering talent within our own borders >>> because our culture and education failed an entire >>> generation. And as for Obama, his policies have escalated >>> this problem, including unemployment, a poor economy, lower >>> standards of living, hatred of police and authority, and >>> racial division and escalation. So if you are big supporter >>> of him, congratulations, you picked a real winner there. You >>> want the truth, that’s it. So bring it on Ken. I’ll back my >>> conclusions with the facts from the Census bureau, the FBI, >>> the U.S Department of the Interior, the U.S. Bureau of Labor, >>> and the Bureau of Economic Analysis but those facts won’t >>> matter will they? >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:25 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> Yes, I think your statements sound racist, and finally I call >>> your out for it. Why is that over the line? You have made >>> some pretty inflammatory statements, but it seems you can’t >>> take any criticism? >>> >>> We have a WISPA conference coming up. One thing I always >>> notice is we are not a very diverse crowd. Almost all white >>> men. That leads to the belief that prejudice is OK because >>> everyone here thinks that way too. >>> >>> *From:*Rory Conaway <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> *Sent:*Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:14 AM >>> >>> *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> That’s out of line Ken, at any level. What matters to me is >>> that the violence fostered by ignorant people in our society >>> who don’t contribute, but foster racial hatred and disdain for >>> the Constitution, the Laws of this country, and want special >>> treatment. I don’t give a crap what color they are but they >>> keep bringing it up. Black Lives Matter, Black Caucuses, etc… >>> The rest of us just want everyone to be Americans but it’s >>> liberals that won’t let race go because they need it to stay >>> in power. >>> >>> You want to attack me for my beliefs Ken, that’s fine. You >>> want to call me a racist, what I really want to tell you will >>> get me banned. I’m done with this and Ken, please don’t ever >>> speak to me again. You went too far. >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ken >>> Hohhof >>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:17 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> Black people really seem to set you off. >>> >>> *From:*Rory Conaway <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> *Sent:*Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM >>> >>> *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black >>> Lives Matter showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is >>> looting and gun fire. I really doubt the Trump supporters are >>> doing that. >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Faisal >>> Imtiaz >>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> >>> >>> I hope you realize that everyone participating in this >>> discussion is an Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much >>> concerned about the future of our great nation. The discussion >>> is over the events as they are unfolding. >>> >>> It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on >>> the right are so upset, and so polarized in their view that >>> they are willing to accept bad behavior from anyone of their >>> affiliated party, since that person can do nothing wrong and >>> the other side cannot do nothing right... >>> >>> I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange >>> of views in a polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, >>> watching the GOP primaries turn into a circus act is >>> embarrassing, because the world is watching, and to see folks >>> trying to explain and justify is even more troubling. >>> >>> Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it >>> should not bt acceptable at any level from anyone. While the >>> media is fully responsible for fueling the fire and covering >>> only the inciting stuff.... watch closely the clips of trouble >>> at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily >>> increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad >>> behavior.... (when someone is being lead out, by security >>> there are folks hitting and throwing punches at the person >>> being lead out....).. and Mr Trump constantly refuses to >>> condemn such behavior, which indicates approval. >>> >>> While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you >>> want, some of us who have had a broader view of the world, >>> have seen this type of behavior and events , in the other >>> parts of the world.. and the end results were not very good >>> for anyone.... As such their is rising concern. >>> >>> The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can >>> control.... historically speaking when that particular type of >>> genie is let out of the bottle, no one has been able to >>> control it ..... >>> >>> :) >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>> Miami, FL 33155 >>> >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232 >>> <305%20663%205518%20x%20232>> >>> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29663-5518 >>> <%28305%29663-5518>> Option 2 or >>> Email: [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: *"Rory Conaway" <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> *Sent: *Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the >>> sacrifices we made as a country to stop men like Hitler. You >>> have so mischaracterized what Trump is saying but I’d >>> rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like >>> Facebook. >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of >>> *Jaime Solorza >>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM >>> *To:* Animal Farm >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >>> >>> Fault? Its human nature....you push me and I push >>> back...most fights start that way...literally and >>> figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has asked him >>> audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go >>> back to old days....what civil rights riots? Wallace? >>> Lynching? He is playing to the older white man who fears >>> foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia was one of >>> Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led >>> to murder of millions. i have a different perspective on >>> things from my ancestors and upbringing plus traveling. >>> Travel outside USA and your eyes open a bit more. I >>> normally stay quiet on politics but not this time.....too >>> much at stake...Trump will not win. >>> >>> >>> >>
