Well we have some acres and mules unaccounted for. Too many people start asking questions, people lose their acres and mules On Mar 15, 2016 8:18 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I just don’t know why the Bureau of Land Management is getting into a > racial issue. Most of them are white. Must be generational guilt or > something... > > *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:03 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? > > > I really hate that black lives matter is automatically equated to black > people. Blm is a VERY small subset of an already small subset of the black > community. Definetly not representative of the whole. > > And I'm a non apologetic racist, every one of my black or Mexican friends > will verify this. Hopefully I'm the last of a dying breed. > On Mar 15, 2016 7:02 PM, "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> After all the crap about Trump supporters being violent, I’ve got a >> timeline about who did what when. The point is, MoveOn organized the >> protest a week in advance and Bill Ayers was involved in getting organizers >> into the event. After the event, Black Lives Matters moved in and started >> the violence, the looting, and blocking the freeways including ambulances. >> >> >> >> If we let these progressives get away with this, Trump would never have >> another gathering. Apparently free speech is only allowed if you are >> Liberal. I don’t condone violence outside the event but if they come >> inside and start protesting and affecting the right to free speech, then >> yes, violence is okay. The protestors should not be in there and if they >> are, they trespassing, period. A lot of Americans died from 1776 on to >> give us that right and nobody has a right to take that away. >> >> >> >> If there isn’t swift and harsh punishment to these criminals, and yes, >> inciting violence is a criminal act, then what is going to happen at the >> Republican Convention in Cleveland? These people need to understand there >> is a civil way to do this and if they don’t know that lesson, then they >> should be removed and jailed. Protest outside peacefully, protest inside >> by sneaking in, then don’t whine when someone is violent towards you. You >> are affecting their right to free speech and to organize. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Glen Waldrop >> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:29 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> >> Well said. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* justsumname . <[email protected]> >> >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 1:09 AM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> >> The difference between 1968 and now, is, Saul Alinksy had not written his >> book, telling his fellow rabble-rousers how to disrupt and destroy a >> political system without resorting to murder and general violence. >> >> >> >> The difference between 1968 and now, is, if a "political activist" up and >> attacked you (presumably for holding different political views), we weren't >> so "politically correct" such that you *could* respond by punching the >> jerk's lights out and the cops would arrest the 'activist'. Why? Because >> everyone pretty much had a sense of 'right and wrong' and everyone knew >> that attacking someone was wrong and not tolerated at all. Also, the >> "individual Citizen" and private property was held in much higher esteem -- >> defending both with effective force was not a crime. >> >> >> >> The difference between 1968 and now, is, the US Constitution was still >> taught in schools and people had a damn clue when they discussed USA >> political issues. Nowadays, we're just mobs with a cause, easily (mis)led >> by false but emotionally-charged rhetoric and a false incarnation of >> "victim". >> >> >> >> There also weren't very many years difference between 1968 and Senator >> McAurthy's statements that "communists are infiltrating our educational >> institutions, our media and our govt". Nowadays... all three are stuffed >> overflowing with America-hating voices and political powers. The guy >> sounds a little crazy but he got that part right. >> >> >> >> In 1968, people still knew what words meant and therefore agreed on their >> meaning. Which also meant the 'rule of law' could possibly exist. >> >> >> >> There's also a movement afoot in the USA (alas the whole world, really); >> greater than even Black Lives Matter. Even though the 'root cause' of BLM >> has a bit of a point: blacks have been crapped on by... some 'authorities' >> -- including the ones they vote for.... this bigger movement is called >> Facts Don't Matter. >> >> >> >> This is true even among creatively intelligent people. You see, even >> though, for example, Mr Trump has never said that he wants to, or is going >> to ... 'round up and deport all Hispanic peoples'... you can read it here, >> presented as 'fact'. Another example: Trump's supporters don't go to >> Hillary or Bernie rallies and disrupt their right to political assembly, >> but oh, it's Trump's fault that the OTHER supporters go to Trump's rallies >> and disrupt his thing and then a scuffle breaks out and then the narrative >> becomes "Trump and/or his supporters are violent". Damn. Taken right >> out of Alinsky's textbook! Accuse the OTHER side of the very thing YOU >> are doing. Of course this works best when the "media" is all down with it >> all... >> >> >> >> Ahhh.... I have been telling people for quite a few years that the >> 'United States is being destroyed', crazy foo' that I am! Citizen status >> is being diluted and dissolved. The international, physical boundary (the >> foundation of private land / property ownership) is being diluted and >> dissolved. The elections have no verifiable integrity (but many of us >> still call the USA a 'democracy'... wow the idiocy). Arbitrarily-defined >> "civil rights" now supercede tangible, measurable, legally tactile property >> rights. Courts are *impossibly* overloaded. The national 'money' is just >> fancy paper. It says it's guaranteed by the US Govt. Fine. Except the >> US Govt is in debt more than the size of the GDP. So... uhm... what the >> hell does the money mean now? (and the big Federal "bank", aka Reserve, >> is in debt something like 5 or 6 trillion due to several years of >> 'quantitative easing'. heh... I don't know what the hell that means! It >> sounds like a book-nerd term for 'masturbation' though! Which is better >> than raping, although it's okay if the muslims rape, because, well, we >> don't know, really, why we let them get away with it.... Look, a squirrel!!) >> >> >> >> And lastly, the last thing to go before a 'nation' falls off the cliff >> is, the fourth thing which makes up a 'nation': the rule of law. Mr >> Obama holds a few note-worthy records, some have been mentioned already. >> I will point out that he holds the highest record of being ruled against by >> the US Supreme Court by a 9-0 majority. Yeah, as in 'unanimously against >> him'. So what does he do when he doesn't get his way with a court that he >> helped stack with two of his own stooges? F'you, he does what he wants >> anyway! I mean, seriously, who duh hell is gonna arrest the PRESIDENT?? >> And, given for what passes as 'political discourse' in our country today: >> since I didn't vote for Obama in 2008 or 2012, I am, 'therefore', >> "logically" (as in Monty Python logically), a "racist". Anyway, let's >> pretend that's a 'fact' (cuz remember that Facts Don't Matter) and I am a >> "racist" for NOT voting for that domestic enemy... okay... ready... here >> comes... Who Is Gonna Arrest the BLACK president?? (who isn't really >> "black"... ahem... but Facts really Don't Matter anymore....) >> >> >> >> And so somehow, someway, everything somehow gets spun into some sort of >> 'racial' thing, completely ruining the exercise of the 1st Amendment: >> political discourse. Damn, what's left to ruin? Oh yeah, I remember! >> Our national / geopolitical reputation! SO yeah, let's give $150 billion >> to a terrorist nation which promises to kill us all someday. What a >> PERFECT idea!!! ...I'm sure, like, they don't mean those, like, ugly >> words. Cuz, like, I really think that us, like, being killed and all is >> bad, and if it's, like, me being, like, killed, well, I don't *like* >> that.... >> >> --- >> >> >> >> Love em or hate him, Trump has guts. He has put himself in front of ALL >> THIS ^^^^^. >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Jay Weekley >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:00 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> And how many of us actually know how to play the banjo? >> >> Glen Waldrop wrote: >> >> For contrast, I’m in rural Alabama as well. It is a 50/50 split here. >> We get along fine. >> >> It is funny how I keep hearing about how racist we are in the south from >> a bunch of people that have less than 10% non-whites living in their home >> towns. >> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:50 PM >> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> Jaime.....I'm in rural Alabama. You know this. My city has probably 5 >> blacks that live here. (and don't get me wrong, I work with a black man on >> a regular basis and he's one of the hardest workers i have - i have >> absolutely no issues with him). That being said, racism here was totally >> generational when I was growing up. If you were old, you had some racism >> still in your blood. No one my age or younger cared - it never came up - >> and we just looked at old people funny and understood. >> For some reason, now, it is not really like that anymore. >> What changed? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Jaime Solorza <mailto:[email protected]> >> *To:* Animal Farm <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:27 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> Hold up partner...first let's agree that we can disagree and still >> have a beer together. Our founding fathers were men just like >> you and me...sinners and not perfect.... while the intent of >> Constitution said one thing...the reality was way different for >> the Native Americans and African Americans. Entire nations wiped >> out or moved to reservations....visit some in your beautiful state >> of Arizona...I am sure they will be happy to hear your speech..or >> go to Cabrini Green in Chicago... oh wait...it's gone...go to >> parts of the south and east and talk to them about the >> constitution. Learn the language... yes that ln makes >> sense...on same token...look at most folks in Europe and Asia..and >> more now in Middle East...they speak several languages....respect >> our heritage? Don't think so Bubba...how quickly you forget >> signs in restaurants and hotels >> ..No Dogs, Negroes or Mexicans Allowed. Jim Crow era, KKK era, >> voting and gerrymandered ploys to keep Republicans in office even >> when population didn't reflect it, second rate education and >> facilities for minorities..sending minorities in greater numbers >> compared to whites to 'NAM...why do you think the hippies came up >> in 60s? If you say drugs you are wrong...why protest of >> convention in Chicago? And it was the Democratic Convention not >> Republican. So I don't know what great heritage you are talking >> about. I think it's great that folks keep in touch with their >> culture....America is Not the Borg.... we can't all be blue eyed >> blonde folks. That would be too Twilight Zone.... stop listening >> to talk shows and Fox TV...try something novel...reading a history >> book..but not one printed in Texas....ajuuaaa >> >> On Mar 12, 2016 9:56 AM, "Rory Conaway" <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> You know what Ken, let’s do this. >> >> You need me to sound racist because your liberal mindset is >> that everyone is a victim. I probably have a much wider >> diversity of friends, business partners, and colleagues than >> you do and never has anyone ever called me racist. Because I >> abhor racial division and call it out for what it is, an >> excuse for failure and control by race hustlers, I’m a >> racist. That’s the pea-brained mentality of the >> intellectually dishonest. You simply can’t understand that >> there are those of us who don’t care about race, we simply >> don’t have time for it in our lives and we don’t see it. However, >> we can define the problems created by race, race >> hustlers, and liberals who don’t want to face facts, just >> blame everyone else for their problems and failures. >> >> What I care about is that there is a class of people that are >> not assimilating into society because nobody wants to face the >> facts. You would rather stick your head in the sand and call >> out those of us who see the truth racists. Here is a fact, >> not having a solid family support system, not following the >> law, and not working hard is a recipe for failure, regardless >> of the race. If you don’t want to face that fact, so be it. >> Stick your head in the sand, blame me and call me names, and >> stand by while our country falls apart because you don’t have >> the intellectual honesty to face that fact that the greatest >> country in the world is falling apart from within and from the >> outside. Hell yes, I want our borders sealed and immigrants >> required to learn our language and honor our heritage. Hell >> yes I want every child to get a good education that honors >> this country, the founders that gave it to us, and the men and >> women who died to protect it. And until we recognize that >> keeping an entire culture in poverty and ignorance by not >> expecting them to excel is a bad thing, then we as a country >> are doomed to further internal violence, strife, and >> separation. I don’t care about the color, I care about the >> fact that color is used as an excuse. >> >> The sad part is it’s not just any specific culture, it’s the >> entire generation. There isn’t a manufacturer here that >> doesn’t have engineering outside this country because they >> can’t find enough engineering talent within our own borders >> because our culture and education failed an entire >> generation. And as for Obama, his policies have escalated >> this problem, including unemployment, a poor economy, lower >> standards of living, hatred of police and authority, and >> racial division and escalation. So if you are big supporter >> of him, congratulations, you picked a real winner there. You >> want the truth, that’s it. So bring it on Ken. I’ll back my >> conclusions with the facts from the Census bureau, the FBI, >> the U.S Department of the Interior, the U.S. Bureau of Labor, >> and the Bureau of Economic Analysis but those facts won’t >> matter will they? >> >> Rory >> >> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:25 AM >> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> Yes, I think your statements sound racist, and finally I call >> your out for it. Why is that over the line? You have made >> some pretty inflammatory statements, but it seems you can’t >> take any criticism? >> >> We have a WISPA conference coming up. One thing I always >> notice is we are not a very diverse crowd. Almost all white >> men. That leads to the belief that prejudice is OK because >> everyone here thinks that way too. >> >> *From:*Rory Conaway <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> *Sent:*Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:14 AM >> >> *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> That’s out of line Ken, at any level. What matters to me is >> that the violence fostered by ignorant people in our society >> who don’t contribute, but foster racial hatred and disdain for >> the Constitution, the Laws of this country, and want special >> treatment. I don’t give a crap what color they are but they >> keep bringing it up. Black Lives Matter, Black Caucuses, etc… >> The rest of us just want everyone to be Americans but it’s >> liberals that won’t let race go because they need it to stay >> in power. >> >> You want to attack me for my beliefs Ken, that’s fine. You >> want to call me a racist, what I really want to tell you will >> get me banned. I’m done with this and Ken, please don’t ever >> speak to me again. You went too far. >> >> Rory >> >> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:17 AM >> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> Black people really seem to set you off. >> >> *From:*Rory Conaway <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> *Sent:*Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:51 AM >> >> *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> Faisal, I’m ready to continue our other discussion. BTW, Black >> Lives Matter showed up to the Chicago rally and now there is >> looting and gun fire. I really doubt the Trump supporters are >> doing that. >> >> Rory >> >> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Faisal >> Imtiaz >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:32 AM >> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> >> >> I hope you realize that everyone participating in this >> discussion is an Adult, and a Patriot. Everyone is very much >> concerned about the future of our great nation. The discussion >> is over the events as they are unfolding. >> >> It is very interesting to me, as an independent, that folks on >> the right are so upset, and so polarized in their view that >> they are willing to accept bad behavior from anyone of their >> affiliated party, since that person can do nothing wrong and >> the other side cannot do nothing right... >> >> I fully understand that everyone is passionate, but exchange >> of views in a polite healthy manner is the proper decorum, >> watching the GOP primaries turn into a circus act is >> embarrassing, because the world is watching, and to see folks >> trying to explain and justify is even more troubling. >> >> Bad behavior is bad behavior, it should be called out, and it >> should not bt acceptable at any level from anyone. While the >> media is fully responsible for fueling the fire and covering >> only the inciting stuff.... watch closely the clips of trouble >> at the Trump rallies, there appears to be an steadily >> increasing amount of 'supporter participation' in this bad >> behavior.... (when someone is being lead out, by security >> there are folks hitting and throwing punches at the person >> being lead out....).. and Mr Trump constantly refuses to >> condemn such behavior, which indicates approval. >> >> While you can explain it and justify it which ever way you >> want, some of us who have had a broader view of the world, >> have seen this type of behavior and events , in the other >> parts of the world.. and the end results were not very good >> for anyone.... As such their is rising concern. >> >> The GOP is playing with Fire, one they think they can >> control.... historically speaking when that particular type of >> genie is let out of the bottle, no one has been able to >> control it ..... >> >> :) >> >> Regards >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232> < >> tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232>> >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29663-5518 >> <%28305%29663-5518>> Option 2 or >> Email: [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Rory Conaway" <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Sent: *Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:05:42 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> Jaime, travel to the WWII museum and learn about the >> sacrifices we made as a country to stop men like Hitler. You >> have so mischaracterized what Trump is saying but I’d >> rather take this discussion elsewhere to someplace like >> Facebook. >> >> Rory >> >> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of >> *Jaime Solorza >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:59 AM >> *To:* Animal Farm >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it 1968 all over? >> >> Fault? Its human nature....you push me and I push >> back...most fights start that way...literally and >> figuratively... Trump doesn't deny he has asked him >> audience to beat the crap of those "bad dudes"...let's go >> back to old days....what civil rights riots? Wallace? >> Lynching? He is playing to the older white man who fears >> foreigners are taking over the US. Xenophobia was one of >> Hitler and others methods used to create a fervor and led >> to murder of millions. i have a different perspective on >> things from my ancestors and upbringing plus traveling. >> Travel outside USA and your eyes open a bit more. I >> normally stay quiet on politics but not this time.....too >> much at stake...Trump will not win. >> >> >> >
