There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to obtain one. Should they be allowed to vote?
> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum <[email protected]> wrote: > > I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they > drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank account, > have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other things > that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is just > as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the > illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. > >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard <[email protected]> wrote: >> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of >> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they >> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with >> who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. >> >>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all >>> racist. >>> >>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine >>> with that. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>> >>> The Brothers WISP >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: "Mathew Howard" <[email protected]> >>> To: "af" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to >>> Mexico - WSJ >>> >>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me >>> they require one of the following: >>> Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) >>> Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS >>> Texas personal identification card issued by DPS >>> Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS >>> United States military identification card containing the person’s >>> photograph >>> United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph >>> United States passport >>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see >>> anything inconsistent there. >>> >>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there >>> is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for >>> the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to >>> get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I >>> really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a >>> citizen to be eligible to vote. >>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of >>>> gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a >>>> super conservative "republican" could ever win. >>>> >>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot >>>> of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All the >>>> voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal >>>> "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you >>>> need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or >>>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID >>>> was issued by a state school. >>>> >>>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make >>>> America great?!?! >>>> >>>> -Sean >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> "conservative minority" HAH! >>>>> >>>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed >>>>> a minority fight for or against most things. >>>>> >>>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and >>>>> illegal immigration. >>>>> >>>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, >>>>> they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. >>>>> >>>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the >>>>> most important thing be any different? >>>>> >>>>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical >>>>> conversation. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>> >>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: "Sean Heskett" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers >>>>> to Mexico - WSJ >>>>> >>>>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a >>>>> non-issue...PERIOD! >>>>> >>>>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked >>>>> Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was >>>>> the same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South >>>>> Americans because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries >>>>> south of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because >>>>> at that time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's) >>>>> >>>>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" >>>>> mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who have >>>>> no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans >>>>> migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. >>>>> >>>>> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being >>>>> a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this >>>>> country being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather >>>>> see their neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because >>>>> they have to gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to >>>>> win. Social security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being >>>>> and prevent the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets. >>>>> >>>>> I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and >>>>> rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society. >>>>> >>>>> What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF? >>>>> >>>>> I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a >>>>> million pieces...you reap what you sow. >>>>> >>>>> America is already fucking great! >>>>> >>>>> Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American >>>>> politicians act this poorly. >>>>> >>>>> 2 cents >>>>> >>>>> -Sean >>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up front. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> However, there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy. The negotiation >>>>>> is just that… a negotiation. IF he gets in, and starts this process and >>>>>> is bound and determined to make it happen, extremities can be discussed >>>>>> (or thrown out there as shots across the bow), and then adjustments get >>>>>> made. The point of a wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it >>>>>> started, and having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in whatever way that >>>>>> takes) will get people’s attention. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges? Of course not. Is >>>>>> it helpful and one part of the total solution needed? absolutely. >>>>>> There IS NO border with the U.S. right now. What is there is a façade. >>>>>> Trump is crude and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for >>>>>> everybody’s benefit, including himself), but this country needs action >>>>>> in so, so many areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to do anything >>>>>> that isn’t buried in PC or politics or corruption or power or all of the >>>>>> above. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic on the subject. But, I >>>>>> still believe in America and its strength and there is been absolutely >>>>>> nothing done in recent time to maintain or increase its strength… only >>>>>> further dilution and division and flailing discourse at an unprecedented >>>>>> level historically. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls and fix our country fan” >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Paul >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM >>>>>> To: Animal Farm >>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to >>>>>> Mexico - WSJ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What a fucking idiot idea....from a fucking idiot.... did I say fucking >>>>>> idiot..oh yes I did >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237 >>>>>> >
