That is not the case here.  Thanks for the insight. :)

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 12:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shareholder value


  If I was interested at all, yes.  But if I was a shareholder in a position 
where his shares would give me controlling interest, then I may pay much more.  

  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 10:03 AM
  To: [email protected] 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shareholder value


  so realistically a good place to start would be 3 x EBIDTA, x his percentage 
of shares (18% i think), and that is probably the most you'd offer ?

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Chuck McCown 
    To: [email protected] 
    Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 10:40 AM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shareholder value

    1.5 or 2x revenue has been around for as long as I can remember for any 
company.  But it is totally bogus.  I suppose if you have net earnings of 50% 
then 1.5 x revenue would be EBIDTA x 3.  But how many businesses have a net of 
50%?  Hopefully all of them but in reality most have far less.  

    From: Josh Luthman 
    Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 9:32 AM
    To: [email protected] 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shareholder value

    Everyone's always said 1.5x annual revenue around here.  I don't know how 
or why that started, but that answers your question.


    Josh Luthman
    Office: 937-552-2340
    Direct: 937-552-2343
    1100 Wayne St
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    Troy, OH 45373

    On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Travis Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:

      Hi,

      I'm not sure where you got the 1.5 times revenue number. Every single 
company I have invested or purchased is based on their EBIDTA number, not 
revenue. Generally I am around the 3x annual EBIDTA.

      Travis



      On 4/13/2016 9:14 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

        �
        Good morning - 
        �
        Today we received notice at least one of our shareholders wishes to 
share his stock.�� 
        We have another shareholder who is the widow of one of our founding 
members who also should probably be considering selling - although she is not 
really thinking about it.� We do not know any of her relatives (nephew?) who 
would likely be the heir to her stock.� Her age is currently 81 I believe.
        �
        I know the "ongoing" value for a company is generally 1.5 times annual 
revenue, but the true value of what a company is worth is what someone is 
actually willing to pay for the stock.
        �
        Per our bylaws, the company has 30 days to make an offer before the 
stockholder hits the general market.
        �
        What advice can you give as to what kind of offer the company should 
give?
        �
        The stockholder likely does not know what the "market rate" is and very 
likely the market rate is not the same here in the deep south.
        �
        I am also curious as to what your thoughts may be on how the 
stockholder may try to sell his stock on the open market.� I feel sure it 
would not consist of a classified ad in the local paper. :)
        �
        Thanks in advance.
        �
        �


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