What I really, really dislike is the "loop in a box" for lack of a
better term. Guaranteed to kink, and don't you dare to ever stuff any
back in the box. The Shireen reels in a box are pure crap. They lock up,
snag, or just bind into a non-rotating condition at the drop of a hat.
The only thing that seems to consistently work is the actual reels.
Give me a real reel any day.
bp
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On 8/6/2016 9:25 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
What do you consider “normal” Cat5? Indoor? Plenum? Multiple
colors? I assume you want Cat5e. Are you just looking for an
unshielded, non gel filled cable, but doesn’t have to specifically be
indoor or plenum cable? (I believe technically you aren’t supposed to
run outdoor cable for more than 50 feet indoors due to flame rating.)
Also, would you accept a “reel in a box” as long as the box doesn’t
fall apart? It seems to offer the best of both worlds.
*From:* Chuck McCown <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Saturday, August 06, 2016 10:28 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] residential cable preferences
I wish I could find normal cat5 on a spool. It takes less room in the
service vehicles and spools out smooth without kinks. But I can only
find it in the direct bury flavor. I made my guys some nice reel
holders so they can put the spool on its side and slide it under the
shelves in their vans for payout. But that is for the 7 conductor
power cable we use to connect the ONTs. Be nice to be able to do the
same thing for CAT 5.
*From:* Adam Moffett <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Saturday, August 06, 2016 8:27 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ; [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] residential cable preferences
If a cable is more durable, then it's longer before you have to go
back and replace it.
If a cable is less kinky and stiff, then it installs easier which
saves labor.
We have to try to quantify and weigh these factors. It's not
religion, it's business.
There's also no harm in appreciating the good aspects of a design even
if it's something as mundane as cable.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: 8/5/2016 8:43:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] residential cable preferences
I could understand if we were all using CCA with non-uv rated cable
with no shield and installing the shit underwater, but given some of
the price differences for minimal gain, most of the cabling issues in
my experience have been related to inadequacies in installer training
and not the cable itself - or using staples... those people are the
fucking devil.
On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 7:00 PM, Joe Novak <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Cable is a serious deal.. I mean your network runs on it!
On Aug 5, 2016 6:28 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I've never seen a level of religion in IT equivalent to the
cable religion on this list. It's kinda nuts.
On Aug 5, 2016 6:13 PM, "George Skorup" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
That's the 7919a and equivalent. Good cable, just a PITA.
And expensive. The foil tears easily. I like everything
about the Shireen 1042 for tower cable. Larger tinned
stranded drain wire would be nice, but meh. The foil is
more than heavy enough and isn't brittle like the
Belden/Best-Tronics stuff.
On 8/5/2016 2:56 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Have you tried the Shireen DC-1042? It’s similar to
Belden, but the foil isn’t bonded to the jacket so you
can actually fold it back. It has the dry gel
impregnated tape instead of the clear mylar in the
Belden. Only thing I miss maybe is the stranded drain
wire. I forget which Belden version has that, we used
to buy both 1300a and 7919a, I think maybe it was the
7919a that had the stranded drain wire.
The Shireen pullboxes work pretty nice.
*From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Friday, August 05, 2016 2:21 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] residential cable preferences
thats how the belden is, soft sheath is more durable. I
love coming across it. the apex is prone to pinholing
and kinking
On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Ken Hohhof
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I don’t buy Commscope 5NF4 anymore because the
installers won’t use it because they hate the goo.
They do have to admit however when they go to a 10
year old install that it stands up to the weather
really, really well.
*From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Friday, August 05, 2016 2:10 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] residential cable preferences
if i was in charge, we never would have gone away
from the belden on the residential outdoor. apex 9
in the winter is so stiff, the foil tears and the
drain is like a bread tie. but at least its not
green toughcable :-)
On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Daniel White
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Love you too Steve :-)
We do sell Primus, Belden, and Shireen as well
if you would rather use one of those cables.
Daniel White
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
ConVergence Technologies__
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
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[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of
*That One Guy /sarcasm
*Sent:* Thursday, August 4, 2016 11:54 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] residential cable preferences
belden something or other was the greatest
but these mopes here where i work like apex 9, I
think its utter shit with its ultrathin foil and
brittle copper
On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 11:44 PM, George Skorup
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Shireen DC-1021
On 8/4/2016 11:08 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
I guess it's time for the regular survey
on cable preferences for residential
installs. Of course looking for
shielded Cat5 and preferably pays out of
a box.
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