And everyone thought the Dow was going to hit a new high in January of
2000. The darkest hour can be just after the brightest light.
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On 8/12/2016 9:20 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Instagram is about to die off?
>Alexa rankIncrease 19 (July 2016)
>Ranked 16th in the US
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On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
No need for Snapchat. It'll die off like Instagram and Tumblr are
about to do.
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*From: *"Gino Villarini" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *"Animal Farm" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*Sent: *Friday, August 12, 2016 10:56:00 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
Snapchat is no longer either a teen app nor its for nudes... like
every app, it evolves ... If you guys are not keeping pace with
the digital evolution... you turn into dinosaurs...
On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Travis Johnson <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
You have a very small population to cater to... and most of
them probably don't use FB. LOL
Travis
On 8/11/2016 11:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I wish you could teach me how to use FB for marketing. I
finally stopped paying google and bing and my sales have
gone way up. Go figure.
-----Original Message----- From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:50 PM
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
So... Google is going to do what WISP's have been doing
for 20 years
(before they were even called WISPs). That's hilarious.
"Fiber! Fiber! Fiber! That is the answer to everything. We
are doing
fiber everywhere!"
"Fiber is expensive, and we can never get an ROI with that
model...
let's look at wireless."
I'm still laughing... a company that size, with those
resources, and yet
they still seem to be clueless sometimes. I'm in
agreement, I doubt
Google will even be around in 20 years. I own several
e-commerce
companies (multi-million dollar ones), and we don't spend
a dime with
Google. One company spends $5k/month with Facebook and it
generates
$400k in sales, per month.
Google is becoming "old school"... the same way email is
compared to
texting... and the way texting/FB/Instagram is compared to
Snapchat.
These companies get big, really fast... but the problem
is, that means
someone else can do the same thing.
Travis
On 8/11/2016 6:26 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
Sorry to sound like not a google fanboy but it's a
typical phd company.. They look at the paper pile
before the experience pile... & yes they will
eventually go down because of it...
On 08/11/2016 03:24 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
Having been directly involved in the Google Fiber
projects, I can tell you there are a number of
factors that caused them to take pause on the
deployments. One was the almost obstructionist
attitude of pole owners (read competitors to their
broadband deployment). This forced a lot more of
the project deigns to underground deployment. In
cities like San Jose and San Francisco, there were
a lot of requirements that cost more money than
Google budgeted for. In some respects Google kind
of had the idea that cities would remove obstacles
like that to get them in their city. With so much
existing broadband already in place, this is
certainly not the case. I think Google thought all
cities were going to have the attitude like they
had with the first cities who applied for Google
to come to their cities (Like Kansas City did).
Google was also of the impression that they could
design and permit their networks and then cherry
pick neighborhoods to deploy based on pre-sign ups
(in Google terms - fiberhoods). This creates a
huge logistic problem in planning construction
especially with underground deployment. This also
drove up costs.
Google is still investigating the wireless
options. What you will see from them should be a
hybrid network system. They will buy up dark
fiber, capacity on lit fiber, conduit space and
whole fiber systems where they can. They may use
microwave to cross connect systems or bridge high
construction cost areas such as railroad
crossings. They are looking at wireless to
basically go more from the curb to the customer,
especially in MDU cases. Existing competition
and/or existing contracts within an MDU makes it
risky to do a wired play if they cannot assure
themselves of a huge take rate within the MDU. I
see their wireless play as more of a high capacity
short hop last mile, but even then they will have
challenges with spectrum, interference and capacity.
While we all would think Google is a great company
with resources to do whatever they set their minds
to, keep in mind I have seen a lot from the
inside. I like to equate them to a group of thirty
somethings with ADD and too much money. They also
seem to have the attitude that older folks are too
far behind the times to possibly know what they
are talking about. Google is certainly not a
utility infrastructure company and lack the
people, tools and skill sets to be one. They are
their own best cheerleaders and they have a
dangerous habit of believing their own hype
internally and are not real good at listening to
fresh viewpoints and outside input.
Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
<http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
www.Broadband-Mapping.com
<http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Chuck
McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 1:29 PM
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
They may have great RF engineers, but you still
cannot fit a camel through the eye of a needle.
-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:04 AM
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
So, I get it. You guys are sitting around feeling
so smug with your WISP.
We're talking about one of the largest and most
powerful companies in the world though. Do you
really think they don't have some of the best RF
engineering talent in the world on their payroll?
They're not doing anything different than many of
us have done, which is evaluate the business case
for each technology and pick the most appropriate
one for the application. If it was going to cost
you a couple hundred thousand just to cross an
intersection, you'd be doing the same thing too.
It's the smart play.
At least they're not doing this in LEC style,
which would mean "saying they can't do it unless
they receive federal subsidies".
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:59 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Wait until they experience ducting ;)
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Prince
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
It's apparently "too expensive" to do
underground fiber. At least in
San Jose.
Anyone know anything about Webpass?
bp
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On 8/10/2016 9:44 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Google Fiber considering fixed microwave
technology as alternative to
fiber.
Interesting times!
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/google-fiber-del
<http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/google-fiber-del>
ays-san-jose-project-may-switch-to-wireless-instead/?comments=1
