Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

Mon, 12 Sep 2016 05:07:00 -0700

We were all small once. 
 
I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had illusions of grandeur of selling IP transit. It's a phase. 
 
Jared
 
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 at 2:09 PM
From: "Paul Stewart" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
I’m not a fan of any IXP putting caches into their network via route server or direct peering… first off “putting one” isn’t enough and where do you draw the line?  Using Netflix caches for example…..   
 
The other challenge is that as the IXP grows, the only folks who will benefit from it are the smaller peers anyways as the larger folks already have them on-net.
 
Also - now the IXP is taking away possible revenue from some of it’s members by bringing caches in.  For those members on an IXP that are selling IP Transit services, I can tell you that a heavy factor now in how transit is sold is related to how much on-net caching is being done (at least for some transit providers, not all).
 
I was in contact with a small IXP about 6 months ago as I was preparing for where we were going to expand into this upcoming fiscal year and the first thing they told me is “and we have an Akamai cache here!” all excited.  This wasn’t an attractive feature for me - I was more interested in their platform, stability, support etc.
 
It’s all about viewpoint of course …. 
 
Paul
 
 
 
On Sep 11, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote:
 
Which doesn't make sense. Put one on the IX and everyone benefits more than each having their own.
 
From: "Cassidy B. Larson" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:23:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

I know three of the eyeball networks there already have their own Netflix and Akamai clusters.
 
 
On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote:
 
I'm surprised SLIX doesn't have Akamai.

https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829

It doesn't surprise me that Netflix isn't there. There isn't a lot of eyeball networks. Then again, maybe I don't appreciate the scale of those networks.
 
From: "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:16:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
 
So ideally you would want to interconnect at your shop?
 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
 
SLIX started with Xmission and UTOPIA Fiber.  They (Xmission) kept track of the peering relationships and provided the IP subnet, UTOPIA Fiber provided a VPLS across its network so that anyone could connect to it at any of the major data centers in Utah or even at their place of business if it had a UTOPIA Fiber connection.  It has definitely grown over the years, and several connect to it outside of UTOPIA, but I think most of it still rides across UTOPIA. 
 
Roger
 
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay.  
 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
 
The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick them up at Delong. 
SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere.
Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on the Equinix IX there… or even LA.
I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :)
 
On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
 
Are these things physically located in a single data center?

-----Original Message----- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +0000, Chuck McCown wrote:
Like to get an IX in SLC.

Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX.  Indeed, the internet says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/

Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - http://tahoeix.org/

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