I think it's just the CPU crystal, these are not Stratum clocks, or maybe they 
are Stratum 4 or something.  If you are looking for something to maintain 
accurate timing if ALL the masters become unreachable, this is not the solution 
for you, then you need something like a couple posts back in the thread.

I'm just saying don't configure every NTP client in your network with 4 
external master NTP servers out on the Internet.  Use routers or Linux servers 
on your network for that, and sync all your clients to them.  In my case, if 
none of my core routers have connectivity to the Internet, I've got bigger 
problems than NTP.  And as long as my whole network is using the same 
on-network NTP server, it probably doesn't matter if it's a few seconds off.


-----Original Message-----
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 10:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Update on DHCP - Calix failures

What do they use for a timebase?

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 9:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Update on DHCP - Calix failures

If you have Cisco core routers in your network, I have found them to be good 
NTP servers.  Set them up with however many masters you want, there are nice 
ACL commands to limit clients and prevent amplification attacks.  Should 
probably specify them by loopback address to insure they are reachable even if 
OSPF reconfigures path to router.


-----Original Message-----
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 10:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Update on DHCP - Calix failures

Nice clock source.  Thanks.
I think I am going to buy the larger one.  It has an onboard OCXO for holdover 
timing.

-----Original Message-----
From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 8:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Update on DHCP - Calix failures

On 10/10/16 7:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> I am guessing that Xmission was giving us a malformed or otherwise 
> unpalatable NTP time hack.  Calix reacted by setting the RTC to goofy 
> time.  I have never dug into the internals of NTP.  I guess the next 
> step would be to wireshark that and figure out what is going on.  But 
> Calix should fall back to secondary NTP or freerun if it does not like 
> what it is getting.  And give an alarm.


How many tickers were configured? Good practice is to configure at least
4 from different sources so that NTP can detect a false ticker or bad time 
source. Configuring two is bad. If you only have the option to configure one or 
two NTP servers then only do one but sourcing off a time server that has at 
least four. NTP doesn't do "primary" or "secondary".

These are cheap to have your own GPS clock: https://www.css-timemachines.com

~Seth





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