Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:40:19 -0700

Good argument, but my observation is that the republicans are doing it to themselves. They are deeply split on ideological lines, and until (or if) they decide to split along those lines, and make a viable third party, the twain shall never meet.
The real issue is that our 2-party system has made it impossible to form a coalition, or even begin to create an argument that is "somewhere in the middle". 


California started something a couple years ago called the "top two", 
but I think it would have been better by making a "top three" primary 
system. This would force politicians to realize that the vast majority 
of the electorate is not extreme right or extreme left; that there is 
actually a path that might work for a majority somewhere.



No, not everyone will be happy with such a system. However, we might get 
off the gridlock bandwagon, and perhaps we might get out of gotcha politics.



I'm not sure how such a system might come about, but I think we all 
ought to start working toward a viable 3-party (or more?) system.



bp
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On 10/10/2016 12:20 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:

Coming from NV, I am reminded of how Harry Reid kept getting 
re-elected.   He made damn sure that his machine kept the Republican 
machine from getting a decent opponent.   There were many means to 
this end and none of them were up front.  But the people in NV got to 
see some real characters on the Rep ticket against Reid.   This seems 
to be the method this presidential election.



This year with Reid gone we are seeing a knock down drag out fight to 
the death between the two sides with about as dirty an election as you 
might imagine...   Both decent candidates but absolutely dirty ads 
striving to paint the other as a horrible person..  What we would 
probably be seeing with 2 good presidential candidates. Politics in 
the US should now be flushed down the toilet.   We really need term 
limits so the stakes are not so high at the national level.  Without 
term limits national office ( congress ) is the holy grail.  The 
presidential election is all about influence for 
congressional/senatorial elections now.  And this time about a bunch 
of supreme court seats (2-3 over the next four years)


On 10/10/2016 10:04 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

+1

Most of his "proposals" are "secret" and/or flowered with bravado.
Pretty much nothing of substance.


We've only seen the tip of the iceberg with respect to this carnival 
barker.


If the people working for Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, John Kasich, et all had
been doing their jobs a year ago, we wouldn't be in this embarrassing
situation.

The republicans are reaping what they have sewn.


bp
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On 10/10/2016 10:00 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

>>> I’m fine with him.
Yep, pretty obvious.


>>> One area he immediately took front and center on was the tax 
code section.

Which part ? how he took advantage of it ? or what is proposing to
change ?

http://taxfoundation.org/comparing-2016-presidential-tax-reform-proposals 


   All independent fact checkers are saying that his tax plan is self
serving and will only benefit rich folks such as himself.

>> I want to see that business experience put to use running the
country and negotiating with other countries.
Again which part ? the part where he runs the business into the ground
and comes out ahead for himself at the expense of all the little guys ?
Or the part where they starts to get arrogant like Kim Jong-un ?



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    *From: *"Rory Conaway" <[email protected]>
    *To: *[email protected]
    *Sent: *Monday, October 10, 2016 12:40:45 PM
    *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

    I’m fine with him.  One area he immediately took front and center
    on was the tax code section.  I want to see that business
    experience put to use running the country and negotiating with
    other countries.

    Rory

    *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay
    Fuller
    *Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2016 9:33 AM
    *To:* [email protected]
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

    As much as I hate to point it out, "you republicans" (of which i
    am one) voted him in.

    it wasn't some conspiracy....

    and i for one hope his business sense will do wonders for the
    country.  i don't much care about the rest of it

        ----- Original Message -----

        *From:*Jaime Solorza <mailto:[email protected]>

        *To:*Animal Farm <mailto:[email protected]>

        *Sent:*Monday, October 10, 2016 10:08 AM

        *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

        Decorum, decency, character.... Where did they go? I agree, we
        are in bad place with the choices we have... But spooky part
        is how we got here.... You Republican guys had an army of
        candidates... All better choices than Fuckwad Trump, even
        Prick Perry or Cruz, yuk.... But no... And the loyalty no
        matter what he does reminds me of Hitler and his followers...
        On other side.. Sanders was better choice but Hillary had more
        going for her... Can't say I  happy about it, but she is
        smarter than Trump.   Johnson needs a class on current
        events.    I pray for our country... Lincoln ,Reagan and
        Kennedy are spinning away... Like I said before.. New source
        of clean energy
        ..and on side note... I wish the aliens that followed
        Columbus's fleet had sunk them... Oh well.

        On Oct 10, 2016 8:44 AM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        “We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies.
        Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds
        of affection. The mystic chords of memory will swell when
        again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of
        our nature.”

        Abraham Lincoln, first inaugural address.  An effort to stave
        off the Civil war.

        Of the presidents I have been aware of during my short life,
        in my opinion only the following would have had the
        temperament to  have penned the quote:

        Kennedy

        Regan

        Perhaps Bill Clinton

        Maybe Obama but probably not.

        And then this:

        Executive Mansion,

        Washington, Nov. 21, 1864.

        Dear Madam,

        I have been shown in the files of the War Department a
        statement of the Adjutant General of Massachusetts that you
        are the mother of five sons who have died gloriously on the
        field of battle.

        I feel how weak and fruitless must be any word of mine which
        should attempt to beguile you from the grief of a loss so
        overwhelming. But I cannot refrain from tendering to you the
        consolation that may be found in the thanks of the Republic
        they died to save.

        I pray that our Heavenly Father may assuage the anguish of
        your bereavement, and leave you only the cherished memory of
        the loved and lost, and the solemn pride that must be yours to
        have laid so costly a sacrifice upon the altar of Freedom.

        Yours, very sincerely and respectfully,

        A. Lincoln.

        Mrs. Bixby.

        Neither of our candidates could do this.  They could get an
        aide to perhaps pen something similar, but if you consider
        their heart, neither possess this type of heartfelt caring or
        duty to serve.

        Wouldn’t it be nice to have a president that truly has these
        kinds of thoughts and feelings?

        Someone that could be a role model for kids.

        I wonder if it will ever happen again.





























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