Note, Ive never looked directly at our reseller agreements terms and
conditions, it could be legally wrangled in our favor already, but I cant
see any reason for a provider to blanket us

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 11:28 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> One of the providers bills the customer directly, we just get commission,
> I assume that leaves us free of the potential issue?
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> You still have to file a bunch of paperwork and are subject to rules like
>> CPNI and possibly outage reporting, plus surprise surprise, you still have
>> to pay some fees like TRS and NANP.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 11:16 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] reselling SIP
>>
>>
>>
>> Something like that.  IANAL either, but I think there are still lots of
>> people flying under the radar on this issue.  If the underlying carrier is
>> doing the taxes and USF and such then there might not be any red flag there
>> where somebody would notice.
>>
>>
>>
>> That doesn't mean your compliant with the law and it doesn't mean the
>> *correct* taxes are being paid.
>>
>>
>>
>> I did learn at one point that if your USF contributions total less than
>> $10,000 / year that you're a "de minimus" provider and you're just supposed
>> to keep the money.  You might want to look into getting it done
>> right....There must be a level of volume where the legal and accounting
>> expense is covered by the USF fees you would have to collect.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>>
>> From: "Ken Hohhof" <*af...@kwisp.com* <af...@kwisp.com>>
>>
>> To: *af@afmug.com* <af@afmug.com>
>>
>> Sent: 10/13/2016 11:41:42 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] reselling SIP
>>
>>
>>
>> IANAL, but I believe the deciding factor is who bills the customer for
>> the voice services.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:*af-boun...@afmug.com* <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
>> Behalf Of *That One Guy /sarcasm
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:29 AM
>> *To:* *af@afmug.com* <af@afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] reselling SIP
>>
>>
>>
>> We resell some SIP trunks with PBX we install on our contract services
>> side. We are not the SIP provider in any way, but we do get paid. if its
>> traversing our ISP network does that technically make us a voice provider,
>> or are we still able to hide out as an ISP
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>
>
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> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
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