Kurt,
I will send you a few links OFFLIST. Not a place to toot my own horn
(pun somewhat intended)
Paul
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2016 10:20 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day
Paul,
Your in a band!?! This is more shocking news than the election
results! Where can we find the youtube videos?
Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Nov 9, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Paul McCall <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Jaime,
I know this is a sensitive issues culturally, and I know you are
sincere in your concerns. However, a lot of what was made out of
his statements was highly exaggerated into PC / political talking
points. Instead of listening for actual plans to develop the
media way overdid it, and took great liberties to distort for a
story line to support their ratings and liberal agenda.
In now particular order…
There are NO automatic granted “rights” for people to be able to
come into this county. None in the constitution, none in current
policy or law. There is a policy to apply for legal immigration.
#1 on any county’s list is “sovereign integrity”. Meaning, the US
has a right to real borders, and has a right to not admit those
who might not be a good fit. Yep, that is the case and the US has
a duty (not just a right) to protect itself now and in the
future. The US has given up on that for way too long and is a
very dangerous position because of the relatively small % of “bad
apples” that have let in completely unchecked. The is almost no
vetting system currently, no structure on protecting who comes
into the country.
That being said…
The “freeze” on Muslims immigrating into our country, until we
know who these people are exactly (and no such vetting system
exists), is simply a wise move. He never said permanently. I have
Muslim friends and those friends were essentially, vetted by
myself. Not in a formal action but in getting to know them. They
are the first to acknowledge the cold hard facts, that percentage
wise, the number of extremists in that religion is a very large
number. They also support the “freeze” because they don’t want to
be blown up either randomly at a public place by people that place
NO value on your life or theirs. Trump hasn’t spoke of permanent
internment camps for Muslims; he said simply, we won’t let them in
“until we figure out how to deal with some form of system to vet
them”. It’s no more complicated than that. Yet, that’s not what
fear and the media would like you to believe. To call using
common sense to protect your sovereignty like being a NAZI is far
reaching,
Not being racist, but being wise, I can glady share in detail
(offlist) with you my personal experience In Israel 16 years ago,
and the pure evil I experienced from Muslims who were in their own
eyes, “just normal”. If there is not enough evidence now to
justify wise actions to protect ourselves domestically from evil
factions from permeating the US sovereign integrity, then we are
really, really missing something. It IS a cultural thing, and it
is scary.
Since we can’t vet it who is who, a freeze until such time as a
system is developed to properly can do that, is reasonable. Is
Trump the most eloquent speaker and did he articulate it in a way
that the aggressive media cannot tear apart? Absolutely not.
On the “wall”, it is a small part, a start if you will, to being
to protect the nation’s sovereignty from the south from ANY
factions, not just Hispanics. It doesn’t address 75% of the
problem. But it is a start. Mexico is discussing the same thing
to protect itself from the south. I have zero problem with
Mexicans, Hispanics or anybody else. We employee some great
Hispanics in my country, and one of them has struggled with the
legal system on him staying here. It’s a mess. He doesn’t
support no control on immigration. I play in a Latin band where I
am the only gringo out of 14 players. None of them would judge as
a racist for trying to look at the problem and eliminate the “2%
bad element” that does cause 90% of the problem for us. Trump’s
comments about some of them back and forth from Mexico that have
committed horrendous acts, some repeatedly, with no response on
accountability for those shipped back for crimes, IS a problem.
Again, did Trump articulate this in a way that didn’t offend a
larger block of people in the process? Not a chance. But, Can he
start to make changes? I believe he can.
Someone mentioned KKK previously. Trump strongly disavowed their
support recently.
As far as hypocrisy, that certainly is evident based on his past.
I can’t and won’t defend that in itself. He seems to mean what he
says though, without carefully sculptured PC rhetoric, and he has
said openly at each example on his business, taxes…. ”Those
loopholes shouldn’t exist. I shouldn’t be allowed exploit those.
I know all these because I have taken advantage of most of them.
Now, let’s created legislation that STOPS ME from doing so!” I
believe his intentions are good in that stance.
As far as who voted for Trump yesterday, obviously a LOT of people
who tired enough of being PC, that when they went in the voting
booth and “flipped that lever” for something other than the PC
garbage that has swarmed a country and been completely
ineffective, yet incredibly divisive for the past 8 years.
I would say give him a chance. I don’t think it is nearly the
gloom and doom that the media has stroked into existence.
Respectfully,
Pablo (Paul) J
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:16 AM
*To:* Animal Farm <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day
So calling a culture rapists is not racist.. Calling a culture
terrorist is not racist.. Build a wall, internment camps to house
Muslims is not racist? That's how NAZI party got started.. But of
course since we don't teach history anymore without editing to
make us angelic and perfect how would the uneducated male who
helped him win know... Not that they give a shit..
Talking about jobs leaving US when you make suits and clothing in
sweatshops out of Asia, welching on deals and contacts, cheating
on wife and children, is not an issue. What a crock of shit... I
weep for our country...
On Nov 9, 2016 7:06 AM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Those that came to the US legally are against illegal
immigration. Those that did not come here legally or have a
difficult time discerning legal from illegal immigration
ignorantly label the former group as racist.
US citizenship is a proud moment in an applicants life. It is
a long and difficult process. Those that work for it hate
those going for the shortcut.
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*From: *"Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:03:03 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day
I guess I don't get the whole racist thing because I am white
I guess. Maybe I want paying attention. I get the whole
Islamophobia deal. Mauve I am just insensitive to what is
interpreted as"code language" or whatever.
I thought I saw that 30% of Latino voters voted for him. What
do our Latino friends think about this?
On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 7:23 AM Jaime Solorza
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
And Putin is happy. Wow
On Nov 9, 2016 6:21 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
The fears he played to, like someone we know back in
the 1930s and let's Make America White Again theme
brought out vote for him. Many of these rural voters
want the country to go 50 years... That's the saddest
part.. Time will be the judge... I think the world
skipped a beat. Right Wing radioheads and KKK guys
probably came all over themselves... And make your own
tamales.. They will be bland with no flavor.
On Nov 9, 2016 5:11 AM, "Mike Hammett"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Huh?
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*From: *"Jaime Solorza" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *"Animal Farm" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Sent: *Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:26:15 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on
Election Day
Proves one thing... We are NOT united states
On Nov 8, 2016 10:23 PM, "Lewis Bergman"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I guess this proves sometimes people prefer
the devil you don't know over the devil you do.
On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:20 PM Mathew Howard
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Just watching the fear on those people's
faces is priceless
On Nov 8, 2016 11:12 PM, "That One Guy
/sarcasm" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
oh, this is so funny to watch, the
media folks are trying to backpedal
and walkback all the nonsense theyve
pulled this year, but theyre leaving
the door open to not go too far if
hillary still flips its so they can do
another 180. This is probably the best
thing to watch of the night as the
reality sets in that they may have
really fu**ed up
On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Lewis
Bergman <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
The whole "populist" candidate
thing...Bernie on the left, Trump
on the right. Is populist = = bad?
Maybe not.
On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:01 PM Josh
Reynolds <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Somebody mentioned on the news
that "This wasn't... Trump wasn't
running on a platform of
unifying our country.. he
wasn't a unity
candidate. This is going to
have very, very deep
consequences across
the board for our country."
On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:52
PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
> they skewed their models
hoping the hive mind of the
public would vote for
> their candidate. they
overvalued their influence and
undervalued the
> internets reach.
> The GOP is dead, thats good,
all the never trumpers days
are numbers, their
> constituents have spoken.
America is a better place
without it.
>
> Remember, trump isnt a
republican, hes more an
independent than anything hes
> so across the board on the
major issues. He could have
run an independent
> race but would have just
split the right. Even if she
pulls a last minute
> hail mary and wins it, this
is a win for the long term of
our governance.
> Bernie broke the democrats,
they just dont know it, 2020
is going to be a
> hell of a race
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:46
PM, Josh Reynolds
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>
>> If a Democrat were to have
won this Presidency, it would
have been the
>> first 3 consecutive terms
since that happened beyond the
middle of the
>> century. The polling people
are freaking out, as all of
their modeling has
>> been quite far off. This
has been MUCH closer than any
of them expected.
>>
>> Recreational and medical
marijuana is growing as well.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at
10:43 PM, Mathew Howard
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> They called Wisconsin for
Trump.... A Republican hasn't
won here since
>>> 1984
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 8, 2016 10:40 PM,
"Josh Reynolds"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dow futures down near 700
points. GOP commentator on the
tv is saying
>>>> "The party of Regan is
dead. The GOP had become an
empty vessel, and it was
>>>> filled up with Trumpish.
NATO partners are nervous. We
really don't know
>>>> what Trump's policies
would be if elected as President".
>>>>
>>>> This is a fascinating
election.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at
10:15 PM, Cassidy B. Larson
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We’re up quite a bit.
Lots of Google/Akamai cache
streams. Upstreams
>>>>> are up as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 8:44
PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>>>>
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> they can be the beta
testers for the walls
>>>>>
>>>>> suprisingly my network
is down right now about 40
percent usage, i
>>>>> expected alot of peope
would be streaming the
election, maybe theyre
>>>>> watching on satellite or
already ate their bullets
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at
9:36 PM, George Skorup
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If there was ever a
place to wall off, start with
DC. And then Cook
>>>>>> County.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/8/2016 9:27 PM,
Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would rather see
American Samoa and Puerto Rico
get statehood than
>>>>>> DC. it was set apart
for a reason.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016,
9:22 PM That One Guy /sarcasm
>>>>>>
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thats should be
interesting, are they going to
petition on their
>>>>>>> crime rate alone?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at
9:13 PM, Josh Reynolds
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WOW Washington DC
just elected to support a bid
for statehood by
>>>>>>>> 71%.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 9:07
PM, "Lewis Bergman"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> George is right. My
write in might win.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016,
9:05 PM Lewis Bergman
>>>>>>>>>
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If Trump won cali I
would demand a recount. Josh
is right. This
>>>>>>>>>> whole thing is
another exampleof the
electoral mess. The only thing
scarier
>>>>>>>>>> than popular vote
determination is the
convoluted crap we are in.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8,
2016, 8:59 PM Josh Reynolds
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Might wanna hang
out there for awhile until the
toxic cloud
>>>>>>>>>> passes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 8:57
PM, "George Skorup"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm staying in the
basement with my 870 loaded
until dawn.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/8/2016 8:53
PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> i want trump to
pull california, just to see
if clinton will stand
>>>>>>>>>> by her word to
accept the results
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016
at 8:49 PM, Lewis Bergman
>>>>>>>>>>
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Come on, they could
have called Texas 2 years ago.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8,
2016, 8:41 PM That One Guy
/sarcasm
>>>>>>>>>>
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> by now i expected a
clinton lead
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016
at 8:38 PM, Mathew Howard
>>>>>>>>>>
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What's wrong with
Ohio? Looks fine to me...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 8:13
PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
>>>>>>>>>>
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> what the hell is
going on in ohio?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016
at 8:09 PM, Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>>>>>
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They are calling
Texas.... Wow. People still
in line here...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 6:57
PM, "Lewis Bergman"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yea. Nobody would
believe it, nor should they.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8,
2016, 7:55 PM That One Guy
/sarcasm
>>>>>>>>>>
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> trump is pulling
forward there now.
>>>>>>>>>> If texas went to
hillary its a given the race
will be contested
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016
at 7:38 PM, Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>>>>>
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So far Texas is 48
vs 48...JUST THAT IS DIFFERENT
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 6:00
PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
>>>>>>>>>>
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> always vote! always!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016
at 6:48 PM, Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>>>>>
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I voted proudly...
That's what count
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 5:39
PM, "Lewis Bergman"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jaimie...I
sympathize with your likely
feelings of irrelevance. I
>>>>>>>>>> always vote but in
such a red state it doesn't
matter how you vote there are
>>>>>>>>>> so many die hard
Republicans it doesn't make a
difference.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I wish we could
throw some libertarians in
there and shake things
>>>>>>>>>> up. We might get
some appreciation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8,
2016, 5:58 PM Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>>>>>
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Damn. Eric and I
are dumb....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016 4:52
PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
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