Speeds at 40Mhz single or dual pol Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> On Nov 19, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > > Which numbers are you referring to? > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > From: "Jon Langeler" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:36:35 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First? > > https://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/airfiber/airFiber_AF-11FX_DS.pdf > > Looks like good numbers to me. > > Jon Langeler > Michwave Technologies, Inc. > > > On Nov 19, 2016, at 8:44 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > > I'm not sure how I can make my message any more clear. It seems as though no > one gets what I'm saying. Mike hates UBNT. Mike hates the AF11FX. Mike hates > vendors. Mike hates baby Jesus and the Easter Bunny. Mike hates ice cream. > Mike wants his radios with nickle-plated ivory for $0.05. > > It's half-assed. It's more of the UBNT 90 - 95% engineering. It's almost a > great product, but because they didn't bother to engage their customer base > or actually look at what the rest of the market was doing, it has come up > short in a few ways. > > I'm not saying the product is junk. I'm not saying I won't buy one. I'm > disparaging the lack of research by UBNT when setting out the boxes to be > checked as design went on. It's a case of Applism. We'll make what we want > and our people will buy it regardless if it makes sense or not. > > > > Also, they claim it's among the most spectrally efficient radios out there, > but it simply isn't. Other than the B11, it isn't any more efficient than > anything else made in the last several years. It delivers 500 - 600 megabit > in what amounts to 112 MHz of spectrum. That's 357 megabit in 80 MHz. That's > fairly normal for a 256 QAM single polarity radio. The SAF Lumina did that in > 56 MHz in 2009. I'm sure you could find single polarity 256 QAM radios pretty > cheap on the used market.... and they'd come with fiber and direct mounts. > > > I've done this dance a few times and few people ever get it. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 7:16:44 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First? > > I have been reading this thread, and following this circular, arm-chair > 'product designer' conversation.... > > Mike, I am going to call you out... What exactly is your gripe... > > I am happy to see a 'cheaper radio'. What wrong with that ? > > What do you think is available in the market space that is a 'better > performing' than an AF11x ? > > Is it perfect ? no, but does it hold it's own, yes, is it comparable to > others, not possible to do apples to apples comparison..... > > If you tell me that you are coming from a Tech Purist perspective, then yes, > lots of things can be different. But if you are arguing from a product > availability in the market space.. please enlighten me with your thoughts.. > > > Regards > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > > From: "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:31:36 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First? > It's a sign of it being the cheapest radio on the market, not a sign of it > being what the customer really wanted. > > That or they don't realize it's shortcomings yet or they're not educated > enough to know the difference. I would say most of the UBNT operator > community isn't nearly as educated as they should be. > > > Again, because someone buys it doesn't mean it's what they wanted. Sales are > absolutely NOT an indicator of that. Sales are an indicator of what they were > willing to settle for. I'll probably settle for them and contribute to the > sales numbers being used against my argument. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > From: "Ben Moore" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 5:16:34 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First? > > I don't care if they are living on the North Pole in an igloo as long as > designing killer radios that customers are buying :). The fact that the > AF-11FX orders are so high is a good sign that customers want it and are very > comfortable with it after the success of the AF24 and AF5. > > Thanks, > Ben > > On Nov 19, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > > Them listening or not listening isn't the end-all be-all for purchase > decisions. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 5:05:09 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First? > > You're right, people were so dumb they kept coming back. > > /s > > >> On Nov 19, 2016 3:06 PM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> wrote: >> Just because there are sales doesn't mean they listen. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> >> The Brothers WISP >> >> >> >> >> From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:42:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First? >> >> Keep in mind that AFMUG and even the WISPA list is an echo chamber. >> >> What one needs, another does not. There are some very vocal people in these >> communities. >> >> That said, I have spent years talking directly with Matt, Ben, Robert and >> many of the developers. They are often out of touch, but sometimes it's >> actually myself that is. >> >> When you can post a 20-40mil gain in a single quarter time after time on a >> given line without direct sales, you are doing something right. >> >> >>> On Nov 19, 2016 11:27 AM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Seeing what they put out, not having a clue what the competition is already >>> doing and the ignoring of their customers and super users means they're out >>> of touch. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>> >>> The Brothers WISP >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 9:10:04 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First? >>> >>> If they were really that out of touch given the context of the world >>> market, they wouldn't have product lines doubling in net revenue quarter >>> over quarter. >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 19, 2016 7:27 AM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Yeah, but they have a fundamental problem. Company-wide they are out of >>>> touch with their customers and what they need as well as what the rest of >>>> the market offers. >>>> >>>> Examples: >>>> >>>> Still no SFPs on radios. >>>> AF11 has a channel width from the 2000s. >>>> AF11 isn't nearly as spectrally efficient as they think it is. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>> >>>> The Brothers WISP >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:14:45 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First? >>>> >>>> I know of a company that already has 8 links deployed that they replaced >>>> existing radios with. >>>> >>>> They built their own radio core. (Second time for UBNT, if you count >>>> Invictus core and then this one... Not counting the ones they made before >>>> UBNT.) >>>> >>>> You underestimate them a lot. They're making more money across the board >>>> and investing even more money in R&D and labor than they ever have. The >>>> past few years they've made major internal changes, and things are just >>>> now starting to bare fruit from those decisions. >>>> >>>> They also have a huge cash reserve, and it wouldn't surprise me at all for >>>> them to start making acquisitions if they choose to. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Nov 18, 2016 9:50 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> this isnt my usual asshole distrust of UBNT, I know UBNT chuck is behind >>>>> it, so its solid gear, but are people really ready to put their faith in >>>>> the limited and $ spectrum on UBNT? >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> They are designing for a lot of different mounting options, but they >>>>>> have to hit the ones that are the easiest sells out the gate. >>>>>> >>>>>> Stay tuned. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2016 5:44 PM, "George Skorup" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> We have RadioWaves HP2 and HP3s' in a couple flavors. HPx-11R, Remec >>>>>>> round for Trango ApexPlus and HPx-11EX, for Exalt G2. Then we have >>>>>>> Trango AD11G2-S2's and 3-S2's for ApexPlus, Remec round. So obviously >>>>>>> we wouldn't be able to do the feedhorn swap on those. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The RadioWaves 11EX are single-pol only, so those would need the >>>>>>> feedhorn swapped. But the 11R is where it makes sense for the Remec >>>>>>> adapter plate, especially in the case of the Trango dishes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So for me it would come down to $250-300? for the adapter plate vs >>>>>>> $400? for a new RW feedhorn vs $1k for a whole new dish. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This would probably be half as difficult if UBNT would've designed for >>>>>>> waveguide, IMO. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 11/18/2016 2:13 PM, Brad Belton wrote: >>>>>>> Right, I see the RadioWaves DP N-Type feed, but we�re looking/hoping >>>>>>> someone comes out with a REMEC round to DP N-Type adapter.� >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Quicker, cheaper than replacing the feed horn and could be used on any >>>>>>> antenna with a REMEC round feed horn�not just a RadioWaves antenna. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Brad >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:08 PM >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Non-UBNT licensed dish to N connectors and radio mount. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Brad Belton" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:06:47 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, what are we looking for?� SFP port? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don�t see any REMEC round to dual polarity N-Type adapters in your >>>>>>> pictures!� <grin> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Brad >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:02 PM >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/photos/a.997555730369879.1073741834.186874744771319/997557797036339/?type=3&theater >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Brad Belton" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:09:25 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You'll need to order a new feed horn for your RadioWaves antenna. �I >>>>>>> don't >>>>>>> have the SKUs yet, but I'm hearing they might be shipping by end of the >>>>>>> month or early next. �They are basically a standard dual polarity >>>>>>> N-Type >>>>>>> feed horn except the feed horn "kit" also comes with a UBNT specific >>>>>>> mounting bracket for the radio. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wish there was a REMEC round to dual polarity N-Type adapter >>>>>>> available. >>>>>>> Sure would be easier than a feed horn swap...and likely less expensive >>>>>>> too. >>>>>>> I've got a call into Pasternack to see if such an adapter is even >>>>>>> feasible. >>>>>>> I'm thinking it is, but would depend on demand. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Brad >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>> Of Keefe John >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:59 AM >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What was on the dish you had before? �Can I make these work on a a >>>>>>> Radiowaves Dragonwave dish? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 11/17/2016 8:54 PM, Brad Belton wrote: >>>>>>> > DoubleRadius should have them. �Our AF-11X order filled, but >>>>>>> > waiting on >>>>>>> new >>>>>>> > RadioWaves dual polarity feed horns before they can be put to use. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Brad >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>> > Of Keefe John >>>>>>> > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:17 PM >>>>>>> > To: [email protected] >>>>>>> > Subject: [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Which distributors will have AF-11X first? �Does anyone have ETAs? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Keefe >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> > Members mailing list >>>>>>> > [email protected] >>>>>>> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> > Members mailing list >>>>>>> > [email protected] >>>>>>> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Members mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Members mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Members mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Members mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >>>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > > > >
