Writing from the perspective of a 10Gbps MMW wireless vendor - this is a very interesting topic. (our 10Gbps links fully available and shipping: including in 2+0 configuration which gives 20Gbps on the same antenna using H+V polarisations. Some customers are planning on stacking these again to give 40Gbps FDX capacity between sites).
Ideally, there would be some integration with the switch fabric for bonding. Simplest scenario is if one link goes up/down in one or both directions; but more subtle is if/when ACM activates, two paths may operate at different speed (rain fade on H,V is not identical). Some fairly intelligent IP fabric is required to do "Radio Link Aggregation" with variable rate wireless links. I suspect that mobile operators/vendors will solve this first; solutions for corporates/ISPs will come along behind. Best regards Stephen www.cablefree.net On 23 March 2017 at 07:21, Rory Conaway <[email protected]> wrote: > It’s been a challenge. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:25 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links > > > > The bonding of 10G is the easy part. The management of data flows with > regards to throughput capabilities on each link is the part that I'm > surprised is taking so long to mature. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Wednesday, March 22, 2017 3:00:11 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links > > Not a lot of people are trying to bond 10Gbps wireless circuits. Even the > products themselves are fairly new or still in development. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:57 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links > > > > It's quite surprising that this hasn't happened already. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Wednesday, March 22, 2017 2:55:39 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links > > It still needs feedback from the radios as far as I can tell but it’s an > interesting idea. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Gino Villarini > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 10:48 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links > > > > SDWAN? > > > > *From: *Af <[email protected]> on behalf of Rory Conaway < > [email protected]> > *Reply-To: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]> > *Date: *Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 12:47 PM > *To: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links > > > > Interesting. Just talked to SIAE yesterday and they won’t have radios > available for a while. I believe we have 2 ideas on the table though, to > address this. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Gino Villarini > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:02 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links > > > > Seems like you might need some Cisco and SIAE gear? > > > > http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/solutions/collateral/service- > provider/unified-ran-backhaul/white_paper_c11-728355.html > > > > *From: *Af <[email protected]> on behalf of Rory Conaway < > [email protected]> > *Reply-To: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]> > *Date: *Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 12:20 PM > *To: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links > > > > Can be routed or switched. The end result simply needs to be 40Gbps with > lower speeds optional in harsh weather with minimal latency. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:57 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links > > > > That was an Accedian product. > > > > So you need 40Gbps... at a minimum of 8x10Gbps at each end. > > > > I think MikroTik has an 8 port 10Gbps CCR, but I don't have any experience > with it. > > Can the hop be routed, or must it be switched? > > > > > > *Gino Villarini* > > President > > Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 > > > > *Gino Villarini* > > President > > Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 > > On Mar 21, 2017 9:50 AM, "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Josh, what was that product that you used to rep? > > > > I actually need 40Gbps across 1 hop with four 10Gbps radios. Just need to > figure out the best way to do it. Kevin Myers just posted this on Facebook. > > http://www.stubarea51.net/2016/10/27/wisp-design-using- > ospf-to-build-a-transit-fabric-over-unequal-links/ > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:48 AM > > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links > > > > Right. If you need a 10G+ stream, you'll need in-radio bonding. If you > just need 10+ Gbps of traffic, there are multiple ways to do that. > > > > On Mar 21, 2017 9:38 AM, "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Apparently this problem is more difficult than I imagined. Some radio > vendors do this but apparently not all. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:23 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links > > > > He can't deploy a product that's not released, homie. > > > > Even then, it's still brand new. Always best to let others air out the > bugs unless you did some of the testing yourself and know what to expect ;) > > > > On Mar 21, 2017 8:19 AM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Your not watching of my videos has failed you. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:15:39 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links > > It's not listed on their website I don't believe. Neither of the currently > listed options mention trill in the data sheet. > > > > On Mar 21, 2017 6:41 AM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> wrote: > > I'd look at IgniteNet's new TRILL switch. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Rory Conaway" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Monday, March 20, 2017 11:30:07 PM > *Subject: *[AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links > > Lots of options today and redundancy with the switches wouldn’t be a bad > thing either. > > > > *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO* > > *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040* > > *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>* > > *[email protected] <[email protected]>* > > *www.triadwireless.net <http://www.triadwireless.net/>* > > > > “An optimist will tell you the glass is half-full; the pessimist, > half-empty; and the engineer will tell you the glass is twice the size it > needs to be” > > > > > > > > > > > > >
