We have two possible solutions we are persuing right now. Rory Conaway Triad Wireless
-------- Original message -------- From: Gino Villarini <[email protected]> Date: 3/23/2017 6:41 AM (GMT-07:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links The only way I see it happening is with SDN From: Af <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Stephen Patrick <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Reply-To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 9:05 AM To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links Writing from the perspective of a 10Gbps MMW wireless vendor - this is a very interesting topic. (our 10Gbps links fully available and shipping: including in 2+0 configuration which gives 20Gbps on the same antenna using H+V polarisations. Some customers are planning on stacking these again to give 40Gbps FDX capacity between sites). Ideally, there would be some integration with the switch fabric for bonding. Simplest scenario is if one link goes up/down in one or both directions; but more subtle is if/when ACM activates, two paths may operate at different speed (rain fade on H,V is not identical). Some fairly intelligent IP fabric is required to do "Radio Link Aggregation" with variable rate wireless links. I suspect that mobile operators/vendors will solve this first; solutions for corporates/ISPs will come along behind. Best regards Stephen www.cablefree.net<http://www.cablefree.net> Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png] On 23 March 2017 at 07:21, Rory Conaway <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: It’s been a challenge. Rory From: Af [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:25 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links The bonding of 10G is the easy part. The management of data flows with regards to throughput capabilities on each link is the part that I'm surprised is taking so long to mature. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ________________________________ From: "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 3:00:11 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links Not a lot of people are trying to bond 10Gbps wireless circuits. Even the products themselves are fairly new or still in development. Rory From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:57 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links It's quite surprising that this hasn't happened already. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ________________________________ From: "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 2:55:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links It still needs feedback from the radios as far as I can tell but it’s an interesting idea. Rory From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 10:48 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links SDWAN? From: Af <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Rory Conaway <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Reply-To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 12:47 PM To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links Interesting. Just talked to SIAE yesterday and they won’t have radios available for a while. I believe we have 2 ideas on the table though, to address this. Rory From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:02 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links Seems like you might need some Cisco and SIAE gear? http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/solutions/collateral/service-provider/unified-ran-backhaul/white_paper_c11-728355.html From: Af <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Rory Conaway <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Reply-To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 12:20 PM To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links Can be routed or switched. The end result simply needs to be 40Gbps with lower speeds optional in harsh weather with minimal latency. Rory From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:57 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links That was an Accedian product. So you need 40Gbps... at a minimum of 8x10Gbps at each end. I think MikroTik has an 8 port 10Gbps CCR, but I don't have any experience with it. Can the hop be routed, or must it be switched? Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [http://127.0.0.1:54012/service/home/~/?auth=co&id=1da921bb-b2a8-4368-bc2e-c997a36651f3:113198&part=2] Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [http://127.0.0.1:54012/service/home/~/?auth=co&id=1da921bb-b2a8-4368-bc2e-c997a36651f3:113198&part=2] On Mar 21, 2017 9:50 AM, "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Josh, what was that product that you used to rep? I actually need 40Gbps across 1 hop with four 10Gbps radios. Just need to figure out the best way to do it. Kevin Myers just posted this on Facebook. http://www.stubarea51.net/2016/10/27/wisp-design-using-ospf-to-build-a-transit-fabric-over-unequal-links/ Rory From: Af [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:48 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links Right. If you need a 10G+ stream, you'll need in-radio bonding. If you just need 10+ Gbps of traffic, there are multiple ways to do that. On Mar 21, 2017 9:38 AM, "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Apparently this problem is more difficult than I imagined. Some radio vendors do this but apparently not all. Rory From: Af [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:23 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links He can't deploy a product that's not released, homie. Even then, it's still brand new. Always best to let others air out the bugs unless you did some of the testing yourself and know what to expect ;) On Mar 21, 2017 8:19 AM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Your not watching of my videos has failed you. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ________________________________ From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:15:39 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links It's not listed on their website I don't believe. Neither of the currently listed options mention trill in the data sheet. On Mar 21, 2017 6:41 AM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I'd look at IgniteNet's new TRILL switch. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ________________________________ From: "Rory Conaway" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 11:30:07 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links Lots of options today and redundancy with the switches wouldn’t be a bad thing either. 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