In my calc I counted both, because I was comparing AE to gpon. With gpon the "optic" is built into the ONT. With AE it's an additional expense over just the router.
I'll write out some of the other numbers I have in a bit and post some graphs to see the break point on small AE vs gpon. On Mar 30, 2017 7:01 PM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> wrote: One side of the BiDi is $9, the other side is $12. Also, only one side of the link's SFPs were included in the original price. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ------------------------------ *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> *To: *[email protected] *Sent: *Thursday, March 30, 2017 6:59:50 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] FTTH construction tiger team Yeah, I counted both sides. Look like a 10 Cisco generic is around $7 now, not counting their s/h. If you go bidi it's $12/each for 10Km extemp dom, or right what I said: $864 +s/h On Mar 30, 2017 6:48 PM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> wrote: > Looks like $9 and $12 for each side of the BiDi with DDM, but just > standard temperature (32- 158). Not sure if they can get anything below > 32... at least at FiberStore. > > > Gigalight has gotten aggressive again, so they're another option. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Sterling Jacobson" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Thursday, March 30, 2017 6:43:04 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] FTTH construction tiger team > > Right. > > > > I assumed BIDI and extended temp range with DDM on my $900, or rather $450 > for the switch side. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Thursday, March 30, 2017 5:34 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FTTH construction tiger team > > > > I didn't consider the optics at the customer locations as part of the cost > of the box. I'm not sure he did either. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Thursday, March 30, 2017 6:27:00 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] FTTH construction tiger team > > 72 optics * $12/each plus uplink optics > > > > On Mar 30, 2017 6:01 PM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> wrote: > > GigE optics would put him at $252 + S&H > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Thursday, March 30, 2017 5:45:54 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] FTTH construction tiger team > > > > 36 users? Jesus. > > > > That would be hard to beat..Even though that puts you at $900 plus s/h > just in optics, plus the switch cost. > > > > I could do some napkin math when I'm no longer at a stop light to figure > out how many users per location the tipping point is for a low cost OLT vs > something with 48 SFP ports. A quick guess says around 100. > > > > On Mar 30, 2017 3:19 PM, "Adam Moffett" <[email protected]> wrote: > > I'm on a similar quest for low cost deployment methods. If you find your > super contractor team, you can give me a quote. > > > > I was planning a switch cabinet with rackmount 2U enclosures with splice > trays inside and a patch panel on the front.....now I'm looking at a plain > Hoffman box, fanout the cables and terminate with SOC's so the cables go > straight into a switch. Waaay fewer parts, waaay cheaper box. You can > also put splice trays on the back plane and splice pigtails onto your > fanouts rather than use SOC's. That's probably cheaper still, but then the > box is bigger. With the SOC's I can keep the box down to 20" wide, and I > can mount it right to the bottom of one of our poles. I could also (as > someone said) put a splice enclosure above this box and splice a bundle of > long pigtails onto the OSP cable. I suspect that would come out slightly > more expensive. > > > > This box for 36 AE users will come in under $1800 and goes right on the > pole. I've already got electric service where I'm putting it.....if I > didn't, then I'd figure on another $1000-1500. > > > > I'm not ready for the PON rabbit hole yet, but I see a lot of room for > scrimping there. The problem I see is to be efficient with the cost of the > OLT you need to aggregate hundreds of customers to one spot. There won't > be a cheap 36 user PON box....unless UBNT is really cheap. I don't know > what there price is like. > > > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: 3/30/2017 1:50:18 PM > > Subject: [AFMUG] FTTH construction tiger team > > > > I am considering building a construction team that can drop into a small > town or large subdivision, install fiber and move on. > > Something where I own the construction equipment and keep labor costs > low. Want to identify the minimum equipment necessary and the methods of > construction to provide the best value. > > > > HDD with mud truck > > Do we need a vacuum excavator? > > Mini excavator > > One of these drop plows. Whoever said their guy can do 5-8 homes per > day.... yeah that one (to lazy to search who it was). > > > > What to use for hand holes? > > Plastic hand holes? > > > > What are the best values for splice cases? > > > > Perhaps try UBNT GPON. Can always throw it in the ditch if it does not > work. > > > > So a best practices/FTTH in a box schedule of equipment and methods is > needed. From that I will look at the ROI needed from the equipment as well > as the labor costs to estimate the costs to do a subdivision. > > > > From that we will look at the ROI on a competitive ARPU to see if an area > is worth doing. > > I keep getting asked to do this, so I guess I better do this. > > > > > > > >
