apparently, God had other plans On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Bruce Robertson <[email protected]> wrote:
> If he has any income (especially earned) at all, then yes on the tax > evasion. > > > On 5/13/17 9:43 AM, Robert Andrews wrote: > >> Don't you wonder? Is it? >> >> On 05/13/2017 07:58 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >>> And he lives with continual exposure of prison due to tax evasion. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Robert Andrews >>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 4:05 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>> >>> Screwed by whose definition? If he put all that money that he would >>> have paid as taxes under his bed/cabin/lean-to, he may be way... Way.. >>> WAY better off... >>> >>> On 05/12/2017 01:51 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote: >>> >>>> I believe that he is. >>>> >>>> On 5/12/17 1:44 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>>> That's right. I remember that now because we had to go to a little >>>>> extra effort to ensure my wife had 20 quarters, but then we learned >>>>> she gets half my benefit if it is larger. So it really was not an >>>>> emergency after all. >>>>> >>>>> But for the undocumented guy in the woods, if he doesn't have 20 >>>>> quarters of contributions I wonder if he is screwed? >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Robertson >>>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 2:41 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>> >>>>> No, you don't. You have to contribute for at least 20 (if I remember) >>>>> quarters to get benefits. And many public employees, such as my wife >>>>> (University professor) don't pay into social security at all - they >>>>> have >>>>> an alternative plan that has the same contribution requirements, but >>>>> the >>>>> money goes into your own mutual funds. >>>>> >>>>> On 5/12/17 1:35 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> When it comes time to collect social security, they take your highest >>>>>> 35 years of pay to do the calculation. If you never put anything in, >>>>>> I wonder if you get any out? >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Adam Moffett >>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 10:53 AM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>> >>>>>> I've heard tell of a local man working in the construction trades who >>>>>> was born at home and has no documentation. Apparently he likes it >>>>>> that >>>>>> way. He works for cash and lives in a cabin on his parents' land. >>>>>> I'm >>>>>> not saying it's the right way, but it's apparently an option. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Sent: 5/12/2017 12:29:07 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>> >>>>>> Social Security didn't have any linkage with the county health >>>>>>> department. We had to send the birth certificate to them to get the >>>>>>> SSN number. Sometimes that was years later. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Robert >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 10:28 AM >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I thought the ssn was assigned even if the card isn't sent... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 5/12/17 9:16 AM, [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yep, separate process. At least back in the day when my kids were >>>>>>>> born. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 10:13 AM >>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> can you get a birth certificate without having to get the SSN >>>>>>>> registered? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Jaime Solorza >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 72,73,74 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 12, 2017 10:08 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Until ICE deports them to Syria. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 10:07 AM >>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If your kid becomes un-documented and never gets a SSN can >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> just fly under the radar of society and never pay taxes, >>>>>>>> get a >>>>>>>> drivers license, etc? That would be awesome. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 11:02 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Go to the county health department. They will record >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> birth and get you a birth certificate (in Illinois). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* Steve Jones >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 8:25 AM >>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> we had the existing 2 in the hospital, the first one >>>>>>>> had a >>>>>>>> heart murmur because the doctor in all hi knowledge >>>>>>>> decided >>>>>>>> to induce a month early, little runt guy my son was, >>>>>>>> but his >>>>>>>> hole in his heart closed up and he outgrew his >>>>>>>> runtness. the >>>>>>>> second one had an OB who was a man hating believer in >>>>>>>> bedrest and refused to let my paramedic sister get her >>>>>>>> stork >>>>>>>> pin. >>>>>>>> The old lady wants to do it at home. My only issues >>>>>>>> with it >>>>>>>> are the mess, the minimal risk of complication, and >>>>>>>> primarily the paperwork the hospital handles, I don't >>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>> how that works, do I just take the fresh spawn up to the >>>>>>>> police station and get a sticker like a bicycle >>>>>>>> registration >>>>>>>> or what? If I mess up the paperwork does my kid become >>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>> illegal immigrant? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 7:42 AM, Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A customer of mine has 8 kids and and least 5 of >>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>> were delivered at their house. They hired a midwife >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> like $500 each time. It definitely is a lot cheaper >>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>> hospitals around here are charging at least 8k-10k >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> deliveries which I think is bull since childbirth >>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>> naturally occurring event in nature all the time. >>>>>>>> Some >>>>>>>> women cant have a natural birth and need a >>>>>>>> C-section and >>>>>>>> sometimes they don't always know that until the >>>>>>>> birth is >>>>>>>> trying to happen. Maybe have the first one in the >>>>>>>> hospital and if it can happen without a C-section >>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>> have the other ones at home? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 4:41 PM, Chuck McCown >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With a Leatherman Tool, all things are possible. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* Lewis Bergman >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 2:40 PM >>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chuck...that's just gross. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:28 AM Chuck McCown >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I personally delivered 5 of my 8 kids at >>>>>>>> home. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* Steve Jones >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 10, 2017 9:09 PM >>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall >>>>>>>> maintenance >>>>>>>> Im pretty sure its the mail man again, shes >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> pretty shady letter carrier :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ive grown up in an ems family, two >>>>>>>> paramedics, >>>>>>>> two emt B and i was an emt I, two were also >>>>>>>> firefighters. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Twice now the douchenozzle OB refused to >>>>>>>> let my >>>>>>>> paramedic sister deliver for CE, note we are >>>>>>>> (were at the time)literally the most >>>>>>>> advanced >>>>>>>> ems system in the US. And this hospital was >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> primary training facility. We figure we will >>>>>>>> tell the OB doc we have this, we only need >>>>>>>> her >>>>>>>> for her bloodwork and ultrasound, if they >>>>>>>> wont >>>>>>>> give my sis the legally required joy, we >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> get a dulla or however you spell it and pop >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> kid in the living room, mother nature trumps >>>>>>>> modern science in this regard. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There have to be a few of you who popped yer >>>>>>>> youngins outside a hospital. Especially the >>>>>>>> guys >>>>>>>> who are joe smith fans. 3 times out i >>>>>>>> think we >>>>>>>> are the ones in charge. >>>>>>>> On May 9, 2017 3:59 PM, "Lewis Bergman" >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hope you know the source of the >>>>>>>> infection...if not...awkward... Conrats! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 1:41 PM Darren >>>>>>>> Shea >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Even after seeing the stick, it >>>>>>>> didn’t >>>>>>>> quite register until I re-read >>>>>>>> everything you’d typed in this >>>>>>>> thread - >>>>>>>> clever! Congratulations!____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:*Af >>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 09, 2017 >>>>>>>> 10:56 AM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall >>>>>>>> maintenance____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hers the initial diagnostic >>>>>>>> output____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 9, 2017 9:52 AM, "Steve >>>>>>>> Jones" >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is only one infected device. >>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>> malicious code that is replicating >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> directly attached to the command and >>>>>>>> control node. I know a lot of people >>>>>>>> would simply CleanSweep, but we just >>>>>>>> don't feel that is an appropriate >>>>>>>> step. >>>>>>>> There may be an IOT baby monitor >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> gets swept up in all this before its >>>>>>>> over in December. ____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 7:34 AM, >>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>> Milholen <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote:____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As any virus running on a network >>>>>>>> it has >>>>>>>> a pattern weather it be dormant on >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> network at times or not. ____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Identify the pattern and where it is >>>>>>>> trying to phone home to and >>>>>>>> isolate it >>>>>>>> from phoning home. Then Clean sweep >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> machines you have control of.____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The worst part of any of this is >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> IOT devices IE(ip cameras,dvrs, >>>>>>>> tempature monitors and others) are >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> real threat as they have weak basic >>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>> that is open to the network.____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Isolation will be your best bet. >>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>> will prevent DDOS attacks on one >>>>>>>> front >>>>>>>> but doesnt stop new viruses from >>>>>>>> entering.____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 5/8/2017 10:34 PM, Steve Jones >>>>>>>> wrote:____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> an addendum to this, there are >>>>>>>> two >>>>>>>> primay variants to the payload. >>>>>>>> One >>>>>>>> tends to be much more >>>>>>>> aggressive, a >>>>>>>> much more roughly defined code, >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> all that pretty, but ultimately >>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>> versatile and robust. The >>>>>>>> other is >>>>>>>> normally more elegant in >>>>>>>> design, but >>>>>>>> it tends to be visciously >>>>>>>> malicious, >>>>>>>> this is the one to be most >>>>>>>> concerned >>>>>>>> of. Its underlying code has >>>>>>>> started >>>>>>>> wars and destroyed nations____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 9:49 PM, >>>>>>>> Steve Jones >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So this weekend I >>>>>>>> discovered a >>>>>>>> Trojan virus on my network. >>>>>>>> Sometime around January we >>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>> opted to remove an old >>>>>>>> firewall >>>>>>>> that had met its product >>>>>>>> life >>>>>>>> cycles end. We were still >>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>> process of deciding >>>>>>>> whether to >>>>>>>> continue with temporary >>>>>>>> firewalls or look toward >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> robust input/output chain >>>>>>>> policies for a hardened, >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> permanent solution. In the >>>>>>>> mean >>>>>>>> time, of course, we >>>>>>>> continued to >>>>>>>> do the upload/download >>>>>>>> thing. We >>>>>>>> had some suspicion that >>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>> was something going on, we >>>>>>>> noted >>>>>>>> alot of broadcast storms, >>>>>>>> particularly in the >>>>>>>> mornings. >>>>>>>> The network had become >>>>>>>> particularly sluggish and >>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>> seemed to be alot of >>>>>>>> application >>>>>>>> bloat, initially i just >>>>>>>> attributed this to poor code >>>>>>>> maintenance resulting in a >>>>>>>> memory leak.____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We did a basic Netstat this >>>>>>>> weekend and discovered a >>>>>>>> traffic >>>>>>>> anomaly. So we went to a >>>>>>>> professional and had them >>>>>>>> run a >>>>>>>> packet sniffer. We had >>>>>>>> verification of foreign >>>>>>>> code, >>>>>>>> likely for as long as 6-8 >>>>>>>> weeks.____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It will be layer 3 in this >>>>>>>> case >>>>>>>> but its too early to tell >>>>>>>> whether this codes payload >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> be TCP or UDP, we will be >>>>>>>> monitoring as the code >>>>>>>> replicates. This is a pretty >>>>>>>> common virus, as a matter of >>>>>>>> fact we have all had it at >>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>> point, probably so long >>>>>>>> ago we >>>>>>>> dont even remember. We >>>>>>>> anticipate The fully formed >>>>>>>> packet chain to leave NAT >>>>>>>> mode >>>>>>>> and be fully routed out to >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> WAN in December.____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >
