I need to go see Gino's office. On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 10:14 AM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
> If Gino gives it a thumbs up, that I will believe. Hardest rain I ever > experienced was coming out of Gino’s office one day. The street got 2 feet > deep in about 10 minutes. Worried my spark plugs would short out. > > *From:* Gino A. Villarini > *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2017 9:10 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment? > > Im testing it… > > From: Af <[email protected]> on behalf of Chuck McCown <[email protected] > > > Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, June 26, 2017 at 11:05 AM > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment? > > > > *Gino A. Villarini* > President > Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 > > I am waiting to hear from folks in Florida how 60 GHz does during heavy > rains. I remain a 60 GHz luddite. > *From:* Rory Conaway > *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2017 8:59 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment? > > > I’m not dissing 60GHz, I’m all for it. Just not the way they are planning > on to do it and the costs involved. It’s just one tool in the toolbox that > you need. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe > > > *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2017 6:56 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment? > > > > As with all things, past performance may not be indicative of future > performance. ;-) > > > > There is a lot of innovation happening in the mmwave space that will > change and is already changing suburban and urban deployments. Just look > at what you can already do with Galactus right? > > On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:34 AM Rory Conaway <[email protected]> > wrote: > > They are looking at using 60GHz which they have been testing. Considering > they already went through $50 or $60M and only have 20,000 customers, I'm > thinking it's not a winning profit model. Not being cynical, just > realistic after seeing their last efforts. > > Rory > > -----Original Message----- > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment? > > There are some folks working on some very interesting possibilities ... > > Late nite sessions in the Hotel Lobby at WISPAmerica Memphis, there was a > very interesting conversation with a couple of VIVINT R&D guys. The > conversation got everyone's interest, when VIVINT fellow made a statement > like.. We are working on a goal of network design and products which would > allow us to build and deliver Gigabit service to each Home, via fixed > Wireless... (Ok so far so good), and we believe we can do this at approx > sub $100 / month recurring service, with a $300/$400 per sub hardware cost. > (Hmmmmm now that got everyone attention). > > They said they are actively looking at using their buying power in > bringing costs down for such a network hardware build out for all of us... > > It was a great discussion, there were a couple of handful of folks there, > some money guys, Steve Coran, and a few others... After a little bit more > questions and answers, and exploitative exchange, I found myself saying ... > yes they are correct, this is doable with (not right now) but in the very > near future if one considers the development of what is coming down the > pikes and the possible disruptive pricing. > > > So having said that, I don't know the specifics of this particular Silicon > Valley WISP's funding, however if they share a similar goal, then yes, it > would be a good proposition for them and their investors. > > Seeing the implementation with micro pops, and Mimosa Gear, delivering > 100-150meg for residential subscribers is doable and has a pretty decent > ROI, knowing a little bit about what else is in the works with Mimosa and > others, including 60-75ghz, yes, the bar for what can be done with Fixed > Wireless is definitely getting raised.... > > Is it for everyone ? probably not, but doing such network will require > re-thinking many aspects of the traditional network build-outs, that is for > sure. > > Regards. > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: > [email protected] > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Adam Moffett" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:18:13 PM > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment? > > > That's similar to what I was thinking, but you have more detail. > > > > "Mesh" as a routing topology is old, tried, and true. A mesh topology > > composed of solid PTP connections is a perfectly good idea. > > "Mesh" meaning wifi with WDS can't scale for a service provider and is > > guaranteed to fail in the long run. > > > > However, when they say only a few people in the neighborhood need an > > installation because we're going to build a mesh, then I'm inclined to > > think they're talking about the second thing. > > > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: 6/25/2017 5:30:09 PM > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment? > > > >>Context, context context... > >> > >>everyone has a different picture in their mind when the word "Mesh" is > >>mentioned. However not everyone out there is 'stupid' as everyone here > >>is making them out to be... Yes, there are those in the industry who > >>simply what OPM (other peoples money) irrespective of any stated end > >>goal.... > >> > >>Having said that, we are starting to see "multi-radio" AP's, so to > >>answer your question, using a traditional single radio concept, the > >>answer would be NO... however if you think of 'multi-radio' units, > >>then the equation can change drastically.... > >> > >>For those who want to understand this concept better, take a look at > >>what Xirrus did/does for high density Wifi deployment, granted they > >>get a premium for their stuff, but their "AP" are multi-radio units, > >>2/4/8/16 with some combination of 2.4Ghz & 5Ghz... so fast forward > >>technology, think of a multi-radio AP, using multiple 2.4ghz, 5Ghz and > >>60ghz radios, and now see how far this concept can go ? > >> > >>Now add to it the additional 64-75ghz band recently opened up by the > >>FCC and now we can go a bit farther and a larger scaling the 'Mesh'. > >> > >>Regards. > >> > >>Faisal Imtiaz > >>Snappy Internet & Telecom > >>7266 SW 48 Street > >>Miami, FL 33155 > >>Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> > >> > >>Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: > [email protected] > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: [email protected] > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 2:54:46 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M > >>>investment? > >> > >>> Will either of those protocols actually scale to a reasonable > >>>number of nodes? > >>> > >>> Jared > >>> > >>> > >>> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 > >>> From: "Gino A. Villarini" <[email protected]> > >>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M > >>>investment? > >>> > >>> With 60 ghz cheap radios and TRILL or SPB, I believe the multi > >>>backhaul Mesh > >>> coulee be feasible. > >>> > >>> From: Af <[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]> on > >>>behalf of > >>> "[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]"; > >>> <[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]> > >>> Reply-To: "[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]"; > >>> <[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]> > >>> Date: Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 9:34 AM > >>> To: "[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]"; > >>><[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]> > >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M > >>>investment? > >>> > >>> > >>> Years ago there was a product called, from what I remember, > >>>ClearMesh that was > >>> very cool. It had 3 FSO > >>> links built into that automatically tracked and found new mesh sites. > >>>It had an > >>> ethernet port that could be > >>> fed fiber or to a customer. Range was something like 200M and cost > >>>~$7,000 each. > >>> Could probably be done > >>> a cheaper and more reliable with 24/60GHz. They were hyping it for > >>>a couple > >>> years and I think it only was > >>> on the market for less then a year before they went belly up. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Gino A. Villarini > >>> > >>> President > >>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 > >>> On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 12:11 AM, Robert > >>> <[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]> wrote:I > >>>tried to work > >>> with an Orbi setup but the configuration was locked up against it's > >>>own config > >>> controls.. i.e. broken. It uses _All_ of the top and bottom of the > >>>5 Ghz > >>> spectrum and no way to move it's usage around. > >>> > >>> On 6/24/17 7:41 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:Netgear Orbi does that with > >>>4x4 MU-MIMO > >>> and multiple radios. Spendy though. > >>> > >>> - Josh > >>> > >>> On Jun 24, 2017 9:26 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" > >>> <[email protected][mailto:[email protected]] > >>> <mailto:[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]>> wrote: > >>> > >>> I agree with you.... I don't know how many times I've had to > >>> explain to people why mesh doesn't work well. And have seen > >>> numerous startups fail who think their magic routing voodoo will > >>> make this work. It is one of those technologies which just > >>> intuitively seems like should work, but doesn't for so many > >>> different reasons. > >>> > >>> At some point someone is going to build a multi-radio beamforming > >>> system which will actually result in the promise of mesh being > >>> fulfilled without actually using what I would call mesh. With > >>> beamforming and distinct radios, one could conceptionally build a > >>> dynamic point to point backhaul system. > >>> > >>> On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Rory Conaway > >>> <[email protected][mailto:[email protected]] > >>> <mailto:[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]>> > >>>wrote: > >>> > >>> So someone rediscovered mesh? Umm, yea. $7M down the tubes. > >>> > >>> Rory > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Af > >>>[mailto:[email protected][mailto:[email protected]] > >>> <mailto:[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]>] > >>>On Behalf Of Faisal > >>> Imtiaz > >>> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 2:41 PM > >>> To: [email protected][mailto:[email protected]] > >>><mailto:[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]> > >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M > >>> investment? > >>> > >>> > They advertise 75 Mbps symmetrical service. What radio > >>>will > >>> do this? > >>> > >>> All kidding aside, and while I am not going to specifically > >>> comment on this particular story.... > >>> > >>> Having said that, you all should take a closer look at what > >>>Kent > >>> Urwiller has been doing with his WISP, using Mimosa Gear. > >>>(Micro > >>> Pops w/fat backhauls). > >>> > >>> His posts with a great amount of details can be found in the > >>> Mimosa Group and RF Elements group on Facebook. > >>> > >>> Here is a small snippet from one of his recent posts.. "... > >>> Pretty dang amazing really. We are seeing around 130-150 > >>>Mbps on > >>> a 40 MHz channel to each client thanks to 2.3 and C5c. .." > >>> > >>> > >>> :) > >>> > >>> Faisal Imtiaz > >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom > >>> 7266 SW 48 Street > >>> Miami, FL 33155 > >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 <(305)%20663-5518>[tel:305 663 5518] x 232 > <(305)%20663-5518> > >>><tel:(305)%20663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518>> > >>> > >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518>[tel:(305)663-5518 > <(305)%20663-5518>] > >>><tel:(305)%20663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518>> Option 2 or > >>> Email: > >>>[email protected][mailto:[email protected]] > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> > From: [email protected][mailto:[email protected]] > >>> > <mailto:[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]> > >>> > To: [email protected][mailto:[email protected]] > >>><mailto:[email protected][mailto:[email protected]]> > >>> > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 4:54:19 PM > >>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets > >>>$7M > >>> investment? > >>> > >>> > "We use FCC-approved antennas that transmit data using 5 > >>>GHz > >>> signals, > >>> > similar to the radios in your wifi router, cell phone, or > >>> iPad. These > >>> > small antennas are installed at your home by professional > >>> installers > >>> > or through a simple self-setup process, then wired into > >>>your > >>> wifi router." > >>> > > >>> > They advertise 75 Mbps symmetrical service. What radio > >>>will > >>> do this? > >>> > > >>> > Good way to turn $7M into nothing. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > From: Gino A. 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