You have a point there.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/3/2017 10:57:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
Sheeple should really be more concerned about identifying day to day
criminals than mass murderers. Gangs have more mass murderers walking
the streets next to you daily today than all the combined mass
murderers in the history of the country. The city of chicago has a
higher shooting/kill count this year than this guy.
Worrying about identifying mass shooters beforehand is the epitome not
seeing the forrest through the trees.
Really should have killed this thread.
On Oct 3, 2017 9:50 AM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
Reports on NPR is that there were both full auto as well as
"conversions" in the assortment of 23-some-odd weapons found in the
room.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 10/3/2017 1:28 AM, George Skorup wrote:
I think we might possibly be overthinking this whole full auto
narrative that the media is pushing. Just watched a video that
someone shot from near the base of the hotel. The video is from an
NSFW site that a friend sent me. I'll post the link if you guys want.
It sounds like this fuckwit is using an external rotary trigger
device. Think gatling gun. You can hear the cyclic rate change.
That's not something a full auto does. Probably his trigger
masturbation hand getting tired. Fucking piece of shit. Sorry for
that. I'm going back to bed.
On 10/2/2017 11:05 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
After some thought on the whole 'could tougher gun control have
prevented this tragedy' topic, I've sort of come to the conclusion
that with one possible exception, there really isn't anything which
would have made much of a difference.
Assuming that the shooter has a perfectly clean record (he did), you
have to look at what restrictions you're willing to put on
recreational gun owners. In every case I've thought of (restricting
total number of guns, restricting ammo purchases, etc.), it seems
based on the information we have that this attack could have been
carried out with access to the exact same arsenal that a
recreational gun user should have access to. (Assuming one buys
into the belief that there should be recreational gun users - let's
NOT go down that path, since that would definitely end up leading to
somewhere we don't want to go on this list).
The only possible additional restriction I can see which may have
helped is further restricting devices designed to effectively
convert non-automatic weapons to automatic functions. I find it
irrational that one would restrict automatic weapons, but would not
apply similar restrictions to "conversion" products. On the
other hand, I can think of dozens of ways to modify a semi-automatic
to automatic functions, many of which made easier to accomplish with
the prevalence of 3d printing.
Which leads me to the belief that we need to go deeper into the
cause here. Access to guns is not the problem. Having people who
want to use guns (or other weapons) in this way is the problem - the
question is how do we solve that one?
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:39 PM, George Skorup
<george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
We have the FOID in IL. You cannot buy or transport firearms or
ammo without your card on you. Our CCL is a completely separate
card, and yep, you gotta have both on you to carry.
Our waiting periods are 1 day for long guns, 3 days for hand guns.
Our 4473s/background checks are ran through both the IL State
Police and NICS.
So no, it is not "easy" to buy guns legally for the law-abiding
here.
None of this stops the gang bangers from getting guns. Nor the
quiet nut jobs.
On 10/2/2017 6:05 PM, Jason Wilson wrote:
I need to clarify my last message. in California we have the
pleasure of waiting 10 days before we can pick up the firearms
that we purchased. in the state of Nevada there is no waiting
period and they can be purchased over the counter
On Oct 2, 2017 3:26 PM, "Carl Peterson"
<cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
How on earth does someone buy that many guns and that much ammo
without setting off all sorts of sirens? You would think ATF
would have some sort of triggers set for when someone buys a
bunch of guns and ammo.
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
59 dead, 527 injured,. 18 more guns found at one home with
thousands of rounds plus electronics of some kind.
On Oct 2, 2017 1:30 PM, "George Skorup"
<george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
s/clip/magazine
Sorry Bill, had to.
On 10/2/2017 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
Based on what I heard (so far), it had to take many minutes;
maybe 15 or 20 or so. From the sound, you could hear what
sounded like automatic weapon fire going and going until the
clip was empty (and it sounded like a big clip). Then there
was a brief pause (people on the scene described it as "30
seconds"), then another round with another clip. There were at
least 6 or 7 clips.
There are probably eye witness errors in the above
description, but if it's even close to correct, it is pretty
scary.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 10/2/2017 10:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
How long did this event last?
From the time he started shooting how long until police found
him and he killed himself ?
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Subject: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2017 11:59 AM
I think the best thing to do is wait to see if the
authorities can find a motive. I’ve got family up there in
Law Enforcement but haven’t heard from them yet.
Rory
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Moffett
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 9:52 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
+1, let's please not get into a political fight.
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To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 10/2/2017 12:42:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
While I won't get into gun politics I will say there are a
bunch of extremely fervent views on the subject. All dearly
felt with logical reasons behind them. I am not sure the
opposing sides think the opposition's reasons are valid. I
think we can agree, without political discussions, that
crazy is crazy. And while I hate to see this like everyone
else, I don't think most freedom loving people would be
willing to do what it takes to stop all potentially crazy
people from doing such things.
I would hope to head off any political debates on the list.
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:30 AM Jeremy
<jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
I had never seen these bump stop devices. It is hard to
believe that they are legal, and do not require a machine
gun license. I expect that will not last.
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
Well crazy is crazy no matter what. I don't care what
allegiance they claim..this was a massacre committed by a
fucked up person. People died for no good reason. As much
heat as I will take for this, easy access to guns has got
to change. Fuck the politics.
On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com>
wrote:
Well that is some relief.
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert
<i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
FBI says no...
On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are
responsible, not verified yet, but if true is pretty
scary.
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman
<lewis.berg...@gmail.com <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com
<mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
I have never been asked any questions coming in and
out of Vegas
hotels. There are so many conventions they are used
to people who
don't like storing all their expensive gear in the
conference room
or whatever.
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate
for travel
luggage transport
On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
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wrote:
Bet you surveillance footage is getting
analyzed. I am
aware guns can be disassembled to fit in
suitcase or travel
bags...but 10 guns if report is
accurate...wow.
On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert"
<i...@avantwireless.com
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
Expect metal detectors going in
immediately...
On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
I won't be surprised if there were
baggage checks at
the casino.
Mike Hammett wrote:
It would be irrational to change
your plans, but
we're all just people.
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I wonder if attendance to the
WISPA show will be
down from this
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:39 AM,
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A week later and some of us
may have been
at the concert.
Robert wrote:
A best friend and his
brother were
there and had bullets
wizzing by him and
hitting the ground
around him and had
people falling around
him.
On 10/2/17 4:12 AM, Josh
Reynolds wrote:
I have a co-worker
who is there on
a vacation for his
birthday until
Wednesday. Haven't
heard from him yet.
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I'm not really
even sure what
to say. This keeps
getting worse and
worse as more
details come in.
A different
festival on a
different night and I could
have been
among the crowd.
Makes it even
more real.
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