If the vendor ceases to function, the validity of the license is the least of the concerns.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Howard" <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 9:43:36 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Am I missing something here? What difference does it make if the software is cloud hosted or locally hosted if the license model is subscription either way? Mike might have been able to keep running it if he had a local copy but he wouldn’t have owned the license to do it legally. From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 9:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar That's my point Josh. Wisp mon was cloudy only, so when the acquisition occurred Mike has no choice but to go to sonar. With a local he hosted application he could choose to run the old Wispmon software until he decides he wants to upgrade to something. On Oct 18, 2017, at 09:22, Mike Hammett < [email protected] > wrote: IIRC, version 3 you could have some of their services (not billing) on-prem. Version 4 had an on-prem ability, due to the very reasons I stated... a VM on your host is no different than a VM on my host from an OS\application perspective. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png The Brothers WISP http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png From: "Josh Luthman" < [email protected] > To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 8:20:17 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Wispmon was cloud only wasn't it? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 18, 2017 9:16 AM, "Josh Reynolds" < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> He always has a choice. On Oct 18, 2017 7:14 AM, "Matt Hoppes" < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> He didn't have a choice. His cloud-based billing provider went out of business and sold to sonar. So he doesn't even really have the option of running old software, he's being forced to upgrade. On Oct 18, 2017, at 07:55, Josh Reynolds < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> Please don't become a Sonar customer just to demonize them because you don't like their service model. Seriously. That'd be a super shitty thing to do. On Oct 18, 2017 6:52 AM, "Mike Hammett" < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> I will be using it shortly as Sonar bought WISPMon. All of the major billing\OSS platforms with modern features are also cloud-based, so there's not really anywhere else to go. That's fine for you that it works that way, but many WISPs are increasing their use of on-premises virtualization. What about your monitoring, DNS, RADIUS, syslog, Unimus, mail, etc., etc. servers? Yes, my reasons do outweigh arbitrary reasons to keep it in a cloud environment. Actually, I've been fairly quiet on this particular issue and will be increasing my advocacy efforts in this regard to all billing\OSS platforms. As I said, it's the SFP port of the billing\OSS world. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png The Brothers WISP http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png From: "Darin Steffl" < [email protected] > To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 10:08:47 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar I'm in agreement with Simon that it's much faster and reliable to host in the cloud than a server on site. It would cost me many more hours, hand holding, and worry if I had to host this server in my network. If I went on vacation and something happened, I'd be stressed. With sonar living in the cloud, there's less to worry about as it's hosted in a much more reliable datacenter than I could afford to build. It's also managed by sonar's team so if there's an issue, they take care of it. Stress free for me. I see why you might want to host it in house but those reasons do NOT outweigh all the benefits of letting sonar host it in the cloud for you and take care of the problems. Mike, if you don't like Simon's decision to leave it in the cloud, shut up and move on. There's no reason for you and Matt Hoppes to keep beating a dead horse and sound like a broken record. Use something else you're happy with and let the rest of us grow our business and make more $ while you two complain about a product you don't even use. Jeez ha On Oct 17, 2017 8:31 PM, "Seth Mattinen" < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> On 10/17/17 6:14 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: <blockquote> Expect repeated harassment until a good reason is presented or you capitulate. It's the SFP of the billing\OSS world. I always welcome my competitors to have external dependencies. When they try to hand wave their problems away as vendor or cloud problems it helps me gain new customers. ~Seth </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> Total Control Panel Login To: [email protected] From: 0100015f2fd4ae67-3368a041-7922-4df4-ad66-9902cceb04c4-000...@amazonses.com Remove amazonses.com from my allow list You received this message because the domain amazonses.com is on your allow list.
