> No I'm not one of those weird liberals.
What, like a scientist <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveys_of_scientists%27_views_on_climate_change> ? Chris Wright Network Administrator From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 10:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq Keep in mind weather is changing. No I'm not one of those weird liberals. But here in Pennsylvania we've noticed a definite difference in the amount and frequency of rain. On Oct 20, 2017, at 13:42, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: I'd use the NOAA page I linked to in my FB posts shared earlier in this thread. ----- Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _____ From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 12:40:17 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq The google... From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 11:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq Where are you looking up your rainfall specs? ----- Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _____ From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 12:33:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq I think both Julian Kemp and Daniel White both did rain presentations at AnimalFarm in years past. Fascinating with the shape and size of the raindrops, and the fact that some places have continual drizzle and some have torrential sky floods but both will show the same amount of rainfall. Certainly not as simple as looking up rainfall specs for a place. From: Harold Bledsoe Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 11:14 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq SEA is amazingly friendly. They get rain but not very intense. What makes it particularly challenging is that it is rain specifically across the path of the link. So a 1km link that follows a typical squall line path will be different than a 1km link that is perpendicular to the typical squall line (partial path with rain vs. full path with rain). It's cool stuff like this that makes it so much fun! :-) On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 10:01 AM <[email protected]> wrote: Lesseee 365.25*24*60 = 525960 minutes. .99999 uptime = = .00001 downtime Move the decimal 5 places = 5.296 minutes per year 25.9 seconds per month. So should drop for a second a day or perhaps for half a minute a month or 7 seconds a week etc etc. Be interesting to see what folks in Seattle actually see. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 5:36 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq ===== that is good for five nines reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that take direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and have dedicated management interfaces. ===== IgniteNet does all of that too. ----- Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> From: "Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 5:52:52 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's silly USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff... Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier grade, fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that take direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and have dedicated management interfaces. "serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80 GHz links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter wave when it is necessary or justified. I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of one disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot glued to a plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary. On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: Well hell, that is almost TMI. I expected as such from this band. Sounds like if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it would be a contender. From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq Let me back up. We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during torrential down pours. Random fog events will cause it to become trashed. The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem for me is the fail over does not happen properly. It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too much out of it. On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway <[email protected]> wrote: How far is your shot? What channel are you using? Rory From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not fail over seemleasly at all. There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it sometimes flips. On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be complaining. ;-) ----- Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _____ From: "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and start complaining about it. Then we will have believable data. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf page 7 vs. page 15 ----- Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _____ From: "Chris Wright" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more than water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 meters you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to your client. <http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif> http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif Chris Wright Network Administrator From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq This link would be just under 300 meters. Will I ever go down for rain? ------ Original Message ------ From: "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb. ----- Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _____ From: "Adam Moffett" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq Is rain fade an issue? I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz is so great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is insignificant. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Carl Peterson" <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq Yes, and the LR brackets. They should just drop the regular bracket and make everyone order the decent ones. On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote: At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it? ------ Original Message ------ From: "Chris Wright" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and alignment scope. Chris Wright Network Administrator From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option. Have any of you tried IgniteNet? Has it been reliable for you? I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up. -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 <https://maps.google.com/?q=401+E+Pratt+%0D+St,+Ste+2553____%0D+Baltimore,+%0D+MD+21202&entry=gmail&source=g> Baltimore, MD 21202 <https://maps.google.com/?q=401+E+Pratt+%0D+St,+Ste+2553____%0D+Baltimore,+%0D+MD+21202&entry=gmail&source=g> (410) 637-3707 <tel:(410)%20637-3707>
