Exactly.... Pristine = lots of available Holes. 
Rules .... while I don't know them.. but you said it .. they are very old... 
Time to revise ? 
and yes .. would be nice to know what is the definition of 'clear' for how many 
'miles' ... 

PTMP usage does not / would not require two free channels ... and can use the 
'holes'.... 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
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> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 1:21:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP on 6 GHz

> For a channel to be available both ends have to be clear for many many miles.
> They keep this band pretty pristine due to the long distance nature of the 
> use.
> I think they keep it cleaner than is needed but the rules were probably 
> created
> back in the analog era.
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 11:17 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP on 6 GHz
> That is a fair question.... but I think it needs to be answered by the 
> Hardware
> Mfg as well.. in terms of how much SNR do they need for max modulation.
> While I am open to being 'educated' and gain a better understanding ... up to
> now, from what I see in the field, I see the the manner in which Licensed Freq
> are allocated / acquired is tremendously wasteful... Lots a lots of 'holes' in
> the part 101 allocations
> e.g. for a channel to be available, it has to clear both locations A & Z, so 
> if
> A is congested, and Z is not, one cannot have a clear channel.
> or (more realistic).... if A and Z have just the right mix of channels in use,
> then while one cannot have a free channel, but there is plenty of open
> spectrum.
> Keep two things in mind.. that this conversation / dialog with the FCC is 
> within
> the context of two key points.
> 1) Protect the licensed links
> 2) open up more freq in the band.
> 3) allow for PTMP use (using similar mechanism as CBRS band).
> So.. I am curious to hear what is the "Technical" argument, and what is the
> "practical" argument and would like to separate it from 'knee jerk' reactions.
> Regards
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net

> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

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>> From: [email protected]
>> To: [email protected]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 12:17:25 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] PMP on 6 GHz

>> Over on the WISPA list, they are discussing the idea of unlicensed PMP on 6 
>> GHz
>> part 101 frequencies.
>> If Tim Hardy or Liz Creekmore are on, I would like to know how far down an
>> interferer must be to get a channel on the lower portion of that band.
>> I know that I could not get on license due to the fact that someone else was 
>> on
>> the freq about 100 miles away with their antenna pointed away from us. But 
>> the
>> F/B ratio or a side lobe said our signal would still interfere with them.
>> I can only imagine that someone lighting up on your 6 GHz channel, even low
>> power indoors would exceed the interference limit in many cases if they were
>> within 10 miles or so of your antenna. But it can be calculated. Like to know
>> the real numbers. I think that the protection must exceed the protection from
>> other licensed systems. And that is likely impossible.

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