What he said.  

270 x 48 = 12960

12960 watt hours x 10 cents per watt hour = $1296.00  
And that is cheap for batts.

Figure on spending twice that or more for really good batts.  




From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 10:48 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Af Digest, Vol 42, Issue 455

Steady/constant load would mean that it's drawing roughly 270 watts all day 
long, or is 270 watts the maximum load and it's running lower for part of the 
day. If you have a constant (or average) load of 270 watts, you're going to 
need about 13000 watt hours of battery for 48 hours of run time.... that's 
going to be a pretty big pile of batteries.


On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Darrick Potter <ddpot...@dmcibb.net> wrote:

  Yeah, 5500 is incorrect. Sorry just getting my feet wet with this stuff. The 
load is roughly 270 watts. Chuck, can clarify what you mean by steady/constant?







  Darrick Potter
  DMCI Broadband LLC
   
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  > Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 08:59:43 -0700
  > From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  > To: <af@afmug.com>
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Batteries for backup power.
  > Message-ID: <D50413E10C864680AE62C243BBFA77BD@ChuckMcCownPC>
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  > Not sure exactly what you mean.  
  > Is your load 5500 watts or do you need 5500 watt hours?
  >
  > Let?s start with the load.  Is the load steady/constant?
  > If so, what is the wattage?
  > If not, what is the peak wattage?
  >
  > From: Darrick Potter
  > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:56 AM
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Subject: [AFMUG] Batteries for backup power.
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  > Looking for advice on batteries for standby power? We are using a 
Tripp-Lite APS2424 to charge batteries and invert to AC power. Our current 
power needs are about 5500 watts per 20 hours. We would like at least two days 
of run time. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
  >
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  > From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Batteries for backup power.
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  > I think there's a typo here somewhere.
  >
  > If you need to run 5500 watts for 2 days then you need 264,000
  > watt-hours of battery.
  > If that's right, then better look at generator and a big fuel tank
  > instead, and get only enough battery for an hour or so.
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  > From: "Darrick Potter" <ddpot...@dmcibb.net>
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Sent: 2/21/2018 10:56:32 AM
  > Subject: [AFMUG] Batteries for backup power.
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  > >Looking for advice on batteries for standby power? We are using a
  > >Tripp-Lite APS2424 to charge batteries and invert to AC power. Our
  > >current power needs are about 5500 watts per 20 hours. We would like at
  > >least two days of run time. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
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  > From: Craig Schmaderer <cr...@skywaveconnect.com>
  > To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
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  > Did Paul ever let us know what the current cost and deficit is?
  >
  > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 8:51 AM
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
  >
  > We used to allow all AnimalFarm sponsors to do exactly this.  Every Friday 
morning.  Perhaps a time to revisit the issue...  Good way to build a kitty for 
Paul.
  >
  > From: TJ Trout
  > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 8:51 PM
  > To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
  >
  > Chuck could consider allowing vendors to post ad's on a specific day and 
time for a specific fee, but that's a whole other animal to deal with, the plus 
would be he could add like *SPONSORED AD* to the title which we can all filter 
straight to spam if desired ?
  >
  > On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
  > Its is Overkill, providing your time has no value to chase down why X Mail 
server can?t be delivered to, or why X mail server has undefined bounces or x 
firewall system thinks it?s spam, etc. etc.
  >
  > Amazon never goes down, never gets blacklisted.
  >
  > If you are cool with bulk mailserver drama, then have a go at switching, 
and managing that aspect.   ?
  >
  > AES is not the cheapest option no doubt.  This was a choice Chuck and I 
made to make sure it ?just worked? because we all have businesses that, 
hopefully, are successful enough to not want to fuss with it.
  >
  > Paul
  >
  >
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  > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
  > Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 2:13 PM
  > To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
  >
  > What is SES?  Amazon?
  >
  > That seems overkill for a mailing list.
  >
  > On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:09, Mike Hammett 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
  > SES
  >
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  > From: "Matt Hoppes" 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
  > To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
  > Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:05:36 PM
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
  > Support of what???
  >
  > What the heck costs that much?
  >
  > Mailman takes all of 10 minutes to install and just lives after that.
  >
  > On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:52, Ryan Ray 
<ryan...@gmail.com<mailto:ryan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
  >
  > Last time this was brought up the cost was $3000 for the year including 
support, $1800 not including support.
  >
  > On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Matt Hoppes 
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
  > Can it really be more than $5????
  >
  > How much memory, CPU, and storage can a mailing list take when virtualized?
  >
  > On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:20, Keefe John 
<keefe...@ethoplex.com<mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com>> wrote:
  > Just curious, what are the monthly costs to operate this list?
  > On February 18, 2018 11:13:54 AM CST, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
  >
  > I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit to help fund the
  > not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list alive.
  >
  > Please clean out your couch cushions and paypal the revenue created to
  > pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>
  >
  > Paul, what is the current status of our deficit?
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