Midpoints is what we try to get in these situations. If the customer is
worth having, it's great, they handle the funny business with the midpoint
property owner (usually they pay for that customers service) and it leaves
you the ability to serve other customers on the other side of the tree line.

Fyi Ubnt used to have a 900 mhz USB spectrum analyzer. I put mine in a
small project box with 10' usb and small adapter to N on an 11dbi yagi with
a screwdriver through the hole as a handle. Worked great for checking noise
and tracing interference for under 60 bucks. Better than investing in 450
and it sitting on your shelf because the electric company wants to remotely
rape people.

On Mon, May 21, 2018, 1:52 PM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:

> Maybe leapfrog with some back to back rockets or picos or whatever is
> cheap at the treeline.  Solar powered.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 12:49 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 8 mile link
>
> Yeah... but that only works if you have property access.
>
> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 1:32 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> 700’ of cable and use as high capacity radios as you want.  It really is
>> not that far if you have property access.
>>
>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 11:46 AM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 8 mile link
>>
>> Probably worth getting a spectrum analyzer that has 900 in its range, and
>> a 900 yagi, before spending the $2700+ on a 450i 900 AP and antenna.
>>
>> For the original poster's problem I would try, if possible, moving up to
>> 3' dishes on both ends, and ac based radios. And using a 10 MHz channel.
>> Might have a better chance of getting a signal like -61 (not -71) and
>> through "some" trees.
>>
>> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:31 AM, Mathew Howard <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The problem with 900mhz, is that you never know if it's actually going
>>> to work in any given area until you try it.  If there are 900mhz smart
>>> meters around, don't even bother... but even if there aren't, 900mhz can be
>>> pretty unpredictable in my experience. If you do go 900mhz, PTP450 is
>>> definitely the best option.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:59 AM, Erich Kaiser <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 900 PTP 450 with KP Performance Antennas, I run mine 3 miles completely
>>>> NLOS on 7 MHZ and it runs fine to my house.  During heavy rain and through
>>>> heavy foliage (Currently) this is what I am getting
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, The 450i 900 system would definately do the trick
>>>>> How much bandwidth do you need?
>>>>> The 900 on a 10Mhz channel we see around 35Mbs in a noisy environment
>>>>> on 8x/4xmimoB rate.
>>>>> If your doing ptp with it then open it up to 20Mhz wide and bang on.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 05/21/2018 10:49 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok. I'll give those a try and see what happens. Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Travis
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/21/2018 9:37 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You could very likely get a bit more speed out of that by going to the
>>>>> new AC radios... my guess is that the airFibers would be even better, but 
>>>>> I
>>>>> haven't used any of those in the 2.4ghz variety.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:31 AM, Travis Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The current signal level is -71. I have a 2ft dish on each side.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Travis
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/21/2018 9:15 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah... 900mhz PTP 450 is probably the best option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What kind of signal level do you get with the 2.4ghz radios? you
>>>>>> could probably get a bit more out of it by going to airFiber 2x or Rocket
>>>>>> 2AC radios... and maybe a bigger dish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:09 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 900 PTP 450 from Cambium
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>>>>>> CTIconnect
>>>>>>> 312-205-2519 Office
>>>>>>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > On May 21, 2018, at 11:05 AM, Travis Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I'm looking for suggestions for an 8 mile link that will be
>>>>>>> shooting through a single wall of trees about 1/8 mile from one end of 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> link. Currently using 2.4ghz Ubnt radios. Works great during the winter,
>>>>>>> but once the trees fill back in, the link drops to about 5Mbps actual
>>>>>>> throughput. Would be nice to get 20Mbps.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Any suggestions? The trees are 80ft tall, so putting up a 100ft
>>>>>>> tower at a residence is not really an option. The other side is on top 
>>>>>>> of a
>>>>>>> 1000ft tall hill.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Travis
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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