Re: [agi] High-end IQ

[Stanley Nilsen]

Steve, My explanation relates to my view of intelligence and goes something like this... Life consists of accumulating know how and a set of values. Together these lead a person to gain "opportunity."  What is important about opportunity is that it's not opportunity until you have a "recipe" to produce the benefit.   A very young person may have enthusiasm and imagination - they may be inspired and have much energy.  But, they haven't had as much time to acquire valid opportunity.  They are still full of hope and enthusiasm (never tire of talking about the "back to the future" flux capacitor thing, if you know what I mean.) Anyway, as a person matures, they develop the "sense" of what works and what doesn't work.  I was terrible about getting my projects to work when younger - I did a few things just by brute force and persistence, but didn't have genius to see all the solutions to the problems.  Now as an over 60 person I enjoy having the know how to do most of the things I dream up.  It isn't that I developed genius, rather than I made a lot of effort through the years and found out what I can do and what I can't. Net it out, the 40 year old has put together what it takes to implement and actually produce the desired benefit.   I'm not saying that the 40 year old has "deep" understanding, but he has seen things that work and things that don't.   In the process of getting more intelligent, one keeps what works and stops trying the paths that often lead to dead end.   My measure of intelligence is to see how often you make choices that lead to the production of benefit. Lastly, what you pick up in 60, 70 and 80 is realization that you probably won't ever be President of the USA, probably won't win a Nobel Prize, will probably be dying before you know it...  Life is short. The AGI has an advantage in that it will have more years to collect opportunity.  But the hard part is knowing "true" value and what is really the best place to put your efforts.  If the AGI can't figure out what true benefit is, and who should get it, it will never be super intelligent. hey, a few thoughts Stan  On 10/18/18 2:27 AM, Steve Richfield via AGI wrote: IQ = 100 * mental age / physical age For the moment, let's excuse people who aren't smart, and those who "top out" instead of continuing to develop through their life. What do smart 40-year-olds have that smart 20-year-olds are missing, and then what do they pick up by their 60s, 80s, etc? My own impression is that a context emerges that permits a wider range of thinking than younger minds can grok, based on MUCH more experience from which to draw understanding. A 40-year-old has TWICE the work experience of a 30-year-old. By the time they reach 60, their work experience has doubled again. They have seen a LOT of things work, and have seen a LOT of things fail, etc. Anyway, that is my thought, but maybe I am missing something important? If AGIs are ever to reach some level of brilliant maturity, we need to understand what brilliant maturity is all about. Thoughts? Steve Artificial General Intelligence List / AGI / see discussions + participants + delivery options Permalink