Matt: "When you put millions of these specialists together you have AGI."
No you don't!!!! Says who? (1) Where's the proof? (2) Where's the principle that suggests it? You have neither of these things. Even if you had both these things you'd still have to build AGI and test it assuming they are false in order to do the science properly. And you do not get to 'define it' this way. This is SCIENCE. You have an artificial version of a natural general intelligence when you've built one and it (yes the AGI itself, not your or anyone else's blessing) AUTONOMOUSLY proves it. Like fire. Flight and a million other things. I can think of 1000 things that such a specialist-narrow-AI-collection doesn't cover (like everything that science does not know, but could find out), and that a natural general intelligence can autonomously learn (find out), but that 'collection of specialist narrow AI' lacks .... along with an ability to _autonomously_ learn it, which is also something natural general intelligence (yes us) can do. And even worse: such specialist collections have ZERO intelligence, not because it doesn't know something, but because it lacks the _autonomous_ bit. A real AGI can know absolutely NOTHING and yet have non-zero intelligence because it includes a means to autonomously find out. Like us. So that collection cannot be an "artificial version of a natural general intelligence". End of story. Real AGI is defined by how it autonomously handles what it doesn't know (its ignorance!), not by what we bestow on it. If we bestow a means for learning X, that too does not make it AGI. A real but artificial version of a natural general intelligence has to _autonomously_ learn how to learn something it does not know, like us. To prove it you first prove it does NOT know it. Then, later, after learning, when it proves it does, autonomously, it gets a stab at the AGI gold medal. Meanwhile? Nothing wrong with what's being done. Powerful. Useful. Impressive. All good. Rah rah rah, carry on. BUT: Its AUTOMATION based on natural general intelligence, not AGI and it has ZERO intellect. [image: AGI.JPG] The entire AGI project is foundered on this basic fact of the science. And all we ever get here is the endless echo chamber of "if only we can program enough computers" (= AUTOMATION) AGI will magically appear. Rubbish. It was rubbish 65 years ago and we've done nothing but prove more completely it is still rubbish. Enough. I know you'll never face it. Forget it. On Sun., 24 Feb. 2019, 11:08 am Matt Mahoney, <[email protected]> wrote: > OpenCog is one open source effort. But real progress in AI like Google, > Siri, Alexa etc. is not just software. It's hundreds of petabytes of data > from the 4 billion people on the internet and the millions of CPUs needed > to process it. It's not just something you could download and run. > > I realize it's not AGI yet. We are still spending USD $83 trillion per > year for work that machines can't do yet. There are still incompletely > solved problems in vision, language, robotics, art, and modelling human > behavior. That's going to take lots more data and computing power. The > theoretical work is mostly done, although we still lack good models of > humor and music and much of our own DNA. > > If you want to make progress, choose a narrow AI problem. When you put > millions of these specialists together you have AGI. Don't try to do it all > yourself. You can't. > > On Sat, Feb 23, 2019, 12:33 PM Ed Pell <[email protected]> wrote: > >> All, why is there no open source AGI effort? >> >> Ed Pell >> > *Artificial General Intelligence List <https://agi.topicbox.com/latest>* > / AGI / see discussions <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + > participants <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + delivery > options <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription> Permalink > <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T69c9e23ba6b51be9-Mc0ce53bd08d8a09545b83ecb> > ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T69c9e23ba6b51be9-M908fd539511a9ae0f08c9a65 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
