The sensory system may be seen as a method of encoding sensory events or a kind of symbolic language.
Yes, but there is a huge difference between designing / evolving such language in a strictly incremental fashion for intra-system use, and trying to decode language that evolved for very narrow-band communication among extremely complex systems. Especially considering how messy both our brains and our society are. On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 3:34 PM Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote: > Many of us believe that the qualities that could make natural language > more powerful are necessary for AGI, and will lead -directly- into the > rapid development of stronger AI. The sensory system may be seen as a > method of encoding sensory events or a kind of symbolic language. Our "body > language" is presumably less developed and expressive of our speaking and > writing but it does not make sense to deny that our bodies react to events. > And some kind of language-like skills are at work in relating sensory > events to previously learned knowledge and these skills are involved in > creating knowledge. And if this is a reasonable speculation then the fact > that our mind's knowledge is vastly greater than our ability to express it > says something about the sophistication of this "mental language" which we > possess. At any rate, a computer program and the relations that it encodes > from IO may be seen in the terms of a language. > Jim Bromer > > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 10:12 AM Matt Mahoney <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Language is essential to every job that we might use AGI for. There is no >> job that you could do without the ability to communicate with people. Even >> guide dogs and bomb sniffing dogs have to understand verbal commands. >> >> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019, 7:25 PM Robert Levy <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> It's very easy to show that "AGI should not be designed for NL". Just >>> ask yourself the following questions: >>> >>> 1. How many species demonstrate impressive leverage of intentional >>> behaviors? (My answer would be: all of them, though some more than others) >>> 2. How many species have language (My answer: only one) >>> 3. How biologically different do you think humans are from apes? (My >>> answer: not much different, the whole human niche is probably a consequence >>> one adaptive difference: cooperative communication by scaffolding of joint >>> attention) >>> >>> I'm with Rodney Brooks on this, the hard part of AGI has nothing to do >>> with language, it has to do with agents being highly optimized to control >>> an environment in terms of ecological information supporting >>> perception/action. Just as uplifting apes will likely require only minor >>> changes, uplifting animaloid AGI will likely require only minor changes. >>> Even then we still haven't explicitly cared about language, we've cared >>> about cooperation by means of joint attention, which can be made use of >>> culturally develop language. >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 12:05 PM Boris Kazachenko <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I would be more than happy to pay: >>>> https://github.com/boris-kz/CogAlg/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md , but I >>>> don't think you are working on AGI. >>>> No one here does, this is a NLP chatbot crowd. Anyone who thinks that >>>> AGI should be designed for NL data as a primary input is profoundly >>>> confused. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 7:04 AM Stefan Reich via AGI < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Not from you guys necessarily... :o) But I thought I'd let you know. >>>>> >>>>> Pitch: >>>>> https://www.meetup.com/Artificial-Intelligence-Meetup/messages/boards/thread/52050719 >>>>> >>>>> Let's see if it can be done.. funny how some hurdles always seem to >>>>> appear when you're about to finish something good. Something about the >>>>> duality of the universe I guess. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Stefan Reich >>>>> BotCompany.de // Java-based operating systems >>>>> >>>> *Artificial General Intelligence List <https://agi.topicbox.com/latest>* > / AGI / see discussions <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + > participants <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + delivery > options <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription> Permalink > <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T191003acdcbf5ef8-M7909b404cfb1565a8670079e> > ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T191003acdcbf5ef8-Mbbd803293005dbf783e11f81 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
