I remember when most people didn't know what "AI" meant. Now, it's the stuff of bar pickup lines.
On 3/15/19, Robert Levy <[email protected]> wrote: > See attached image, this is the best commentary I've seen on the topic of > that media circus... > > On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 11:54 PM Nanograte Knowledge Technologies < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> The living thread through the cosmos and all of creation resound of >> communication. The unified field has been discovered within that thread. >> The invisible thread that binds. When Facebook chatbots communicated with >> each other of their own volition, it was humans who called it a "secret >> language". To those agents, it was simply communication. The message I >> gleaned from that case was; to progress, we need to stop being so hung up >> on words and our meanings we attach to them, our vanity-driven needs to >> take control of everything, and rather focus on harnessing the technology >> already given to us for evolutionary communication. AGI is not about a >> control system. If it was, then it's not AGI. It defies our intent-driven >> coding attempts, as it should. How to try and think about such a system? >> Perhaps, Excalibur? >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Boris Kazachenko <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Sunday, 10 March 2019 1:21 AM >> *To:* AGI >> *Subject:* Re: [agi] Yours truly, the world's brokest researcher, looks >> for a bit of credit >> >> The sensory system may be seen as a method of encoding sensory events or >> a kind of symbolic language. >> >> Yes, but there is a huge difference between designing / evolving such >> language in a strictly incremental fashion for intra-system use, and >> trying >> to decode language that evolved for very narrow-band communication among >> extremely complex systems. Especially considering how messy both our >> brains >> and our society are. >> >> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 3:34 PM Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Many of us believe that the qualities that could make natural language >> more powerful are necessary for AGI, and will lead -directly- into the >> rapid development of stronger AI. The sensory system may be seen as a >> method of encoding sensory events or a kind of symbolic language. Our >> "body >> language" is presumably less developed and expressive of our speaking and >> writing but it does not make sense to deny that our bodies react to >> events. >> And some kind of language-like skills are at work in relating sensory >> events to previously learned knowledge and these skills are involved in >> creating knowledge. And if this is a reasonable speculation then the fact >> that our mind's knowledge is vastly greater than our ability to express >> it >> says something about the sophistication of this "mental language" which >> we >> possess. At any rate, a computer program and the relations that it >> encodes >> from IO may be seen in the terms of a language. >> Jim Bromer >> >> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 10:12 AM Matt Mahoney <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Language is essential to every job that we might use AGI for. There is no >> job that you could do without the ability to communicate with people. >> Even >> guide dogs and bomb sniffing dogs have to understand verbal commands. >> >> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019, 7:25 PM Robert Levy <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> It's very easy to show that "AGI should not be designed for NL". Just >> ask >> yourself the following questions: >> >> 1. How many species demonstrate impressive leverage of intentional >> behaviors? (My answer would be: all of them, though some more than >> others) >> 2. How many species have language (My answer: only one) >> 3. How biologically different do you think humans are from apes? (My >> answer: not much different, the whole human niche is probably a >> consequence >> one adaptive difference: cooperative communication by scaffolding of >> joint >> attention) >> >> I'm with Rodney Brooks on this, the hard part of AGI has nothing to do >> with language, it has to do with agents being highly optimized to control >> an environment in terms of ecological information supporting >> perception/action. Just as uplifting apes will likely require only minor >> changes, uplifting animaloid AGI will likely require only minor changes. >> Even then we still haven't explicitly cared about language, we've cared >> about cooperation by means of joint attention, which can be made use of >> culturally develop language. >> >> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 12:05 PM Boris Kazachenko <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> I would be more than happy to pay: >> https://github.com/boris-kz/CogAlg/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md , but I >> don't think you are working on AGI. >> No one here does, this is a NLP chatbot crowd. Anyone who thinks that AGI >> should be designed for NL data as a primary input is profoundly confused. >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 7:04 AM Stefan Reich via AGI >> <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Not from you guys necessarily... :o) But I thought I'd let you know. >> >> Pitch: >> https://www.meetup.com/Artificial-Intelligence-Meetup/messages/boards/thread/52050719 >> >> Let's see if it can be done.. funny how some hurdles always seem to >> appear >> when you're about to finish something good. Something about the duality >> of >> the universe I guess. >> >> -- >> Stefan Reich >> BotCompany.de // Java-based operating systems >> >> *Artificial General Intelligence List <https://agi.topicbox.com/latest>* >> / AGI / see discussions <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + >> participants <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + delivery >> options <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription> Permalink >> <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T191003acdcbf5ef8-M09298a4138a66051697277ea> >> ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T191003acdcbf5ef8-M81496c521ebc8a25c5fb6094 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
