While you're at it ..... https://www.edge.org/conversation/rodney_a_brooks-the-cul-de-sac-of-the-computational-metaphor
He's right. Real AGI will happen when we stop using computers. Not before. cheers colin On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 1:37 PM A.T. Murray <[email protected]> wrote: > So says ROdney Brooks, and now let us "AGI enthusiasts" take his assertion > apart piece by piece. > > http://rodneybrooks.com/agi-has-been-delayed/#comment-18920 -- Brooks on > May 20, 2019. > > "That is my frustration with the AGI crowd. They may be sincere, as > another reader has commented here,..." > > Very truly yours Mentifex made the "sincere" comment. > > "but I can not see any plan from any of them." > > Because most of the "AGI crowd" have no clue. > > "Rather, most (as I have documented in an earlier post where I did an > exhaustive analysis of the proceedings of many years of one of the AGI > conference series) of their papers are about how long it will take." > > That's their favorite topic -- how long AGI will take. > > "A few other papers are small technical results – and I don’t say in a > dismissive way – all really good progress comes from tens of thousands of > small technical results piled on top of each other over decades." > > And is that how Crick and Watson figured out DNA? Thousands of small steps > until a ghostly, ghastly answer emerged? No. They took an image that some > woman had captured, and they figured out the double helix of four amino > acids. > > "But I see no plans on how to achieve AGI, and no new ideas from 'AGI > enthusiasts' on how to get there." > > Just as Steve Jobs of Apple said to John Sculley of Pepsi, "Do you want to > spend the rest of your life selling sugar-water?" now we must say to you, > "Do you want to spend the rest of your life making robots that vacuum > floors?" > > "No coherent intellectual ideas about how to proceed." > > The answers to AGI are so simple that they are hiding in plain sight. > > "Hinton always had a coherent intellectual approach and goal. And he > succeeded ultimately after decades of perseverance by him and his followers > within his intellectual framework." > > And were there any Hinton-bashers preventing his progress? > > http://github.com/kernc/mindforth/blob/master/wiki/MentifexBashing.wiki > > "It is extraordinarily hard to make progress without a coherent > intellectual framework, and so far AGI has not come up with one." > > COHERENT INTELLECTUAL FRAMEWORK > > To create AGI, we must replicate the human mind. > (Pertinent common quote: "The mind is what the brain does.") > > In the human brain, neuronal fibers may carry sensory inputs, hold > experiential or motor memories, represent concepts, and carry motor outputs > to actuators (muscles). > > The representation of concepts in neuronal fibers is the key to > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-language_understanding (NLU). > > http://ai.neocities.org/theory.html -- hiding in plain sight. > > *Artificial General Intelligence List <https://agi.topicbox.com/latest>* > / AGI / see discussions <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + > participants <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + delivery > options <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription> Permalink > <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T5bedc18215c1530f-Mca1e18631ea8581d11f213f9> > ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T5bedc18215c1530f-M37a429efb07dbfa5e1bd28c8 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
