Meanwhile, the actual science of artificial general intelligence languishes, intended, malformed and impotent. Those of us that actually want to do the real science of an artificial version of natural general intelligence ... have to stand back and watch.
I've been deeply immersed in this full time for nearly 20 years. The most impressive thing about the discourse: the amount of progress in a real science of AGI is effectively zero. The same arguments rediscovered and re-expressed over and over. Nowhere else in science would any test relying on observer heresay as scientific evidence be treated as anything more than a parody to demonstrate and train people to recognise bad science when you see it. Why can't the science of AGI just dump the Turing test and move on? Whatever's going on in tech at the moment, it's not AI, general or otherwise. It's only automation based on models of natural intelligence. Actual AI hasn't actually started yet. Waiting another 20 years for a broken science to realise it is broken is getting real old On Tue., 25 Jun. 2019, 12:29 pm Mike Archbold, <[email protected]> wrote: > Mostly agree with the above... I have finally settled on the simple belief > that while passing the Turing test is not really the goal (mostly because > it could pass but then unexpectedly stop fooling the interrogator at any > moment) it is still important from a practical standpoint: All the public > cares about is that it appears to be a person. > > On Monday, June 24, 2019, Costi Dumitrescu <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> There is a quote from one of the replies to NIST's RFI: "Our 200-year >> old paradigm of education may provide a baseline of knowledge, but [...]". >> >> It should stand around references to Turing's article in 'Mind' or when >> challenging other methods. >> >> >> >> On 25.06.2019 03:12, Jim Bromer wrote: >> >>> In fact, falsifiability is NOT the driving force behind EVERY >>> scientific revolution. I think that many scientific revolutions are >>> either derived from new technology which creates new insights or by >>> the lack of achievement in some particular field which makes >>> peripheral achievements more important. The idea that every theory had >>> to be falsifiable was Karl Popper's theory. Popper was a young >>> hanger-on of the Vienna Circle which had originally created the >>> theories of logical positivism which considers that the only >>> meaningful philosophical problems are those which can be solved by >>> logical analysis. If that were the case AGI would be GOFAI. >>> Jim Bromer >>> >>> Jim Bromer >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 10:32 AM Matt Mahoney <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> The Turing test is a criteria for AI. It is not the test of a theory. >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 23, 2019, 9:26 PM Costi Dumitrescu >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> https://medium.com/@kengz/falsifiability-and-general-turing-test-a0a5d059f5b4 >>> >>> >>> On 23.06.2019 18:14, Ben Goertzel wrote: >>> > Failed ;( >>> > >>> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 11:14 PM Matt Mahoney >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> wrote: >>> >> Turing? >>> >> >>> >> On Sun, Jun 23, 2019, 10:47 AM Alan Grimes via AGI >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> test >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Please report bounces from this address to >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> >>> Powers are not rights. >>> >>> >>> >> Artificial General Intelligence List / AGI / see >>> discussions + participants + delivery options Permalink >>> > >>> > >>> >>> *Artificial General Intelligence List >>> <https://agi.topicbox.com/latest>* / AGI / see discussions >>> <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + participants >>> <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + delivery options >>> <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription> Permalink >>> < >>> https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Tf97c751029c2e4db-M7379078d051e894f5ebd230e > *Artificial General Intelligence List <https://agi.topicbox.com/latest>* > / AGI / see discussions <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + > participants <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + delivery > options <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription> Permalink > <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Tf97c751029c2e4db-M020eefa690424fa2b0520d31> > ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Tf97c751029c2e4db-Md08de4a639d4f723c5d2f324 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
