Hi Peter,

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 6:37 PM Peter Voss <agi3pe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> AGI is not primarily about building a brain -- it is about building a
> mind.  The major discipline is not neuroscience but cognitive science (and
> epistemology)..
>
> AGI is about figuring out what human-level cognition entails and then
> engineering mechanisms to implement this.
>
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> <https://medium.com/intuitionmachine/agi-checklist-30297a4f5c1f>
> AGI Checklist - Intuition Machine - Medium
> <https://medium.com/intuitionmachine/agi-checklist-30297a4f5c1f>
> Any AGI must at a minimum possess a core set of cognitive abilities — as a
> simple description of human intelligence will confirm.
> <https://medium.com/intuitionmachine/agi-checklist-30297a4f5c1f>
> medium.com
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I know you have a long history with this and I am quite familiar with your
perspective. We encountered each other in 2002 when it was in whatever
counts as a 'heyday' in this. Since then, the usual result of these forum
discussions has descended into the chest-thumping of opinions that is rife
on social media these days. Zero or very little actual progress results,
where I'd characterise progress as  the changing or developing of attitudes
as a result of reasoned mutual engagement with arguments based on evidence.

So I'd like to do something different this time. We're part of the 'old
guard' and it's up to us to demonstrate how an intellectual discussion can
be fruitfully conducted to advance the topic in question. So I'd like to
run an experiment. I'd like us to 'steel-man' each other. This is where:

1) I do my best to express your perspective to you.
2) You do your best to express my perspective back to me.

This is the way for differences to be understood in a manner that can be
fruitfully discussed. For what this means, see this video at exactly
1:57:15 to 1:58:30. It is an answer to a query from the audience at the end
of sam harris's first 'book club'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_5N0N-61Tg

I think it would be very instructive. Would like like to try?

cheers
colin

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