Zombies make for cool movies, but they do not rationally go to lunch, and other 
fantastic tales...

i predict, soon, this list would be dead. to me anyway. merely browsing posts 
here is similar to being in a relationship where the other party refuses to 
comprehend the basics of symbiotic living, yet elects to present disarmed 
arguments about the justification for such an existence.

if robots were scripted enough to be forced into servant-like relationships 
with humans, they would just be appliances. oh! robots are appliances. in 
warfare, robots are appliances scripted for the destruction of life. rational 
persons try and animate appliances, but they are just animated appliances 
themselves.

instead of over-subscribing to consciousness, all robotics inherently start 
with a sense of conscienceness. ignoring the marketing hype for a second (as 
social-engineering BS) inherently AI is still only about the rational interests 
served by rational persons who are part of an irrational, robotics world. is 
one person more rational than another? is intelligence equal to being rational? 
is being "highly" rational worth aspiring to?

rational persons press remote buttons to activate robots to kill people as 
blips on screens. some do it from planes, others do it via satelite, and soon, 
rational persons would be able to do it via their phone. rational politicians 
sit in war rooms watching their enemies getting killed in real time. some do 
cheer. then rational persons collect their pay and go to lunch. rational 
persons proudly develop autonomous killing machines and set them free upon 
society, then they go to lunch. conclusion: killing pays the bills.

rational persons build huge companies to develop DNA-altering machines. they 
develop algorithms as autonomous, computerized scripts, with which to alter 
human DNA. (PS: this obviously causes terrible death and destruction, and a 
magnitude of suffering comparable to hell on earth itself). then they go to 
lunch.

Similarly same rational persons want to go populate Mars with like-minded, 
rational persons. then they will go to lunch.

rational persons use humankind as resources by altering mindsets and mental 
patterns via radiation technologies. they then package said technologies into 
an ancient device called a phone and market it to young children as fun toys 
and to teenagers as status symbols. rational parents take their lunch money to 
buy these appliances for their children.

rational persons script whole societies via radiation. they alter global 
climate via radiation. they watch nature itself protesting. they deny the 
informational feedback from the world to their own senses. they absolve 
themselves of social responsibility. they use rational lawyers and self-serving 
rational institutions to ward off any irrational challenge. then they go to 
lunch.

the best-case scenario for agi would be to evolve as a singularity to the point 
where it would select from productive criteria those human beings who would 
show promise of returning to a nurturing, species-based symbiosis with life and 
heaven and earth, thereafter to proceed into the distant future with those 
alone. there's a better chance of rational people going to lunch, than this 
happening.

based on earthly evidence at this stage, it seems more likely that an alien 
species would decide to conquer earth and turn humankind into resources, than 
humankind being able to achieve critical mass in designing and building 
socially useful, informational personas of the archetypes inherent in homo 
sapiens. that is what rational people already do. they go to lunch on anything 
they choose to.

irrational persons accept the state of this world and seek and enjoy the beauty 
it has to offer. they are motivated to do good to others and sustain the world 
for all persons equally. they even buy and build robots for fun. irrational 
persons are the minority. therefore, they do not count. my hope is that the 
dominant, alien species inhabiting earth, would be irrational too.


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From: James Bowery <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, 08 November 2019 03:19
To: AGI <[email protected]>
Subject: [agi] Leggifying "Friendly Intelligence" and "Zombies"

See my LinkedIn post "A Leggian Approach to "Friendly 
AI<https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/leggian-approach-friendly-ai-james-bowery>" 
for background.

My 2ยข:

This is related to the "consciousness" confusion in the following sense:

Matt Mahoney's reductio ad absurdum of of the sensibility of "consciousness" 
relies on its standing in opposition to "zombiness" (is that a word?).  A 
reasonably objective definition of "zombiness" is its vernacular use in 
ethology to colorfully describe what, in "The Extended Phenotype: The Long 
Reach of the Gene", Richard Dawkins describes as "Host Phenotypes of Parasite 
Genes".

Take, for example, this video of an altruistic cricket sacrificing his life for 
his little friend<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df_iGe_JSzI>.  Such 
"altruists" are frequently referred to as "zombies" in popular scientific 
literature<https://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/animals-source/0000016a-2c84-de00-a1fb-edd7b4940000>.

In evolutionary medical circles such "virulence" evolves to its "optimal" level 
(ie: optimal virulence) through a battle between two opposing routes into the 
next generation for replicators:

Horizontal Transmission vs Vertical Transmission

Vertical transmission occurs when a parasite's evolutionary fate is tied to 
that of its host through reproduction -- in which case it becomes a 
"mutualist".  An example we're all familiar with is the probable coevolution of 
wolves with Cro Magnon resulting in the mutualistic relationship between what 
we call "humans" and "dogs":

Babies and Puppies

Nothing could be more lovable, eh?

Horizontal Transmission is, by contrast, illustrated by the path-not-taken with 
those wolves who thought "Take the baby and run and BREED!"

The extreme form of "Take the baby and run and BREED!" is called "parasitic 
castration" in which a parasite actually eats the genitals of its host so as to 
divert resources to itself that would otherwise have gone to the host's 
offspring.  The resulting evolutionary "zombie" is entirely "conscious", at 
least in some sense.

However, if we think about "turning the universe into paperclips" as the 
extreme of "unfriendliness", it becomes apparent that there is an intermediate 
station in which an "unfriendly AI" would do something like Turk humans without 
the slightest regard for their reproductive viability<https://www.mturk.com/>, 
ending the human species -- at least that portion the unfriendly AI found 
useful enough to Turk.  Are humans who have been Turked "conscious"?  Perhaps a 
more meaningful question is:  "Are they are zombies?"









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